The Chosen Ending - Geneforge 5

[Skrat]

A Shaper assault on the Ashen Islands is plausible and makes sense. I also like the idea of the 'older' Drakons warning the Shapers of the impending doom idea. It does create interesting allies and a lot of opportunity for sides to switch, depending on the desire of the rebels and Shapers to band together or face ultimate doom. The Drayks and first generation Drakons are possible allies that may have their own hidden agenda and could turn on the Shaper/Rebel side if they had the chance to take control. The new generation Drakons would potentially have Unbound creatures at their disposal. Many options with this scenario. I like its potential.

[Drayk Armitage]

Ghaldring will clearly be an important figure in G5, G6, or both. His true goals and feelings towards the Drakon plans and life in general are pretty ambiguous. He doesn't look like he's shaping up to be a villain. Jeff's villains are never ambiguous. They may be heroes to some and villains to others, but the lines are always fairly clear.

 

...on the other hand, G2 and G3 both foreshadowed him, and most of the stuff Jeff foreshadows involves villains (Garzahd, Linda, Rentar-Ihrno). I suppose the Vahnatai would be a major exception.

[Alorael at Large]

Erika is given some foreshadowing in E1/A1 long before you meet her, and the vahnatai most definitely fit the bill of villains in fully half of the Avernum series.

 

—Alorael, who has no idea what to make of Ghaldring without the benefit of those two games' foreshadowings.

[Vicheron]

I'm guessing that everything that's going to happen was forshadowed by the events on Sucia Island. They keep making more powerful and more unstable creations until civilization gets wiped out. The survivors move away and forget about Shaping. Centuries pass and the same thing happens again on another continent.

[Kalkin]

Here is my vision of the end of Geneforge saga. This is the way Geneforge 5 should happen:

 

First, the game begins with a choice: Whether to start as a shaper or a rebel.

Next the game begins on the other shaper continent on shaper heartlands, then advances to the shaper controlled western Terrestia, then rebel controlled eastern Terrestia and next to the Ashen islands (Or while playing a rebel in the opposite order). The activities are at the beginning cooperating with local powers and fighting infiltrators in the first two areas and then fighting the powers and cooperating with infiltrators in the second two areas.

The fifth and final area is the Sucia island, where the fate of the world is decided once more. All the factions have a beachhead somewhere on the island.

 

The story is something like this: After the unbound escalated the war, the shapers have grown a more and more desperate. Both rebels and shapers get hints that a group of shapers have disappeared and are designing a forbidden weapon that ends the war in their favor (The genuine, true, shaper made GENEFORGE!). The player is sent to find them.

Then the player searches through war torn lands for clues to their trail right to the war forgotten Sucia island. He also gets offers from the other side and Trakovites to swap sides. As the player enters there he finds out that other factions have entered there and the final battle to control the Geneforge begins.

When he finally reaches the Geneforge, his actions determine the result of the whole war. Endings:

1. Barzaite. The player joins with them. Uses Geneforge, doesn't destroy it, and destroys shaper council and rebel Ghaldring. Barzaites join the war and defeate both shapers and rebels, but just months later a new war begins amongst Barzaites and the world is reduced to ashes.

2. Shaper. Doesn't use Geneforge, destroys it, and destroys Barzaites and Ghaldring. Shapers maintain their honor, but lose Terrestia. The shapers fortify their one remaining continent and prepare for another war. It is only a matter of time as the drakon are at the peak of their arrogance.

3. Two Rebel ends. Doesn't destroy Geneforge, and destroys Barzaites and Shaper council. Rebels win the war. a) Doesn't use Geneforge. The drakons hog the secrets of Geneforge to themselves and they finally enslave humans for all time. uses Geneforge. The human rebels gain the use of Geneforge and soon a new war breaks between human rebels and drakons. The land is reduced to ashes.

4. Trakovite. Doesn't use Geneforge, destroys Geneforge, and destroys Shaper council, Ghaldring and Barzaites. Both factions lose their leaders and fall dissarray. Both factions believe the other one captured and used Geneforge. For fear of what is to come (and with drakons the fear of civil war amongst drakons) a diplomatic efforts are made to declare a truce. An uneasy peace follows with both sides preparing for a new war. A new war is only a question of time.

5. Over powered one. Use Geneforge, destroy Geneforge, and destroys barzaites, shaper council and Ghaldring. The player takes fate into his own hands. Shapers fall and rebels will follow. All shall fight against this new power, but the war can end only one way. The world will be at peace for a long time. The new empire brings forth prosperity as it follows a very democratic doctrine: One man, one vote. The player is the man, and he has the vote.

 

Anyway, this is my vision of the perfect end for the Geneforge 5. This saga cannot end with anything else, but the player determining the fate of the world. IMHO

[Sudanna]

That seems a bit too. . . well, big for Spiderwebs' budget. The reappearance of Sucia is doubtful, since an entire game was on that one island. The resurfacing of Terrestria is doubtful as well, since players want something refreshing and new. The Barzite faction has been eliminated, and won't return with any influence, much to Tully's despair. Since this is the end of the series, Jeff will want something a bit more extravagant and complex than what you outlined.

[Spidweb]

"First off, which ending do you think will be chosen?"

 

Well, that will be up to the player, won't it?

 

- Jeff Vogel

[Emperor Tullegolar]

Quote:

Originally written by Kalkin:
1. Barzaite.

It's good to see I'm not the only one that wants to see the Barzites come back.

I like the idea of choosing the faction from the begining, it would make it more like Nethergate. It makes it seem more like multiple games in one, despite that not being the case. In each zone, your objectives would be determined by your faction, instead of you being able to work for multiple faction to almost no limit in a single game.

[Keneforge]

Come to think of it, it would be relatively easy to let the player choose what happened in G5. In the old games you had to kill the big bad guy to get a given ending, but all you did in G4 was push buttons at a control panel. Maybe that would be the opening scene in G5, after the final Battle, its your job (as a shaper or rebel) to work the panel….

[Retlaw May]

Quote:

Originally written by Spidweb:
"First off, which ending do you think will be chosen?"

Well, that will be up to the player, won't it?

- Jeff Vogel

Does that mean we actually get to choose from the begining this time? This is what I like, Loyal to the Shapers all game!

[Sudanna]

No, thankfully. Most people want the option to maintain a more moderate position. Nalyd himself thinks the Shapers are too strict in their laws. Not evilly, soul-crushingly strict, but simply frustrating.

[Student of Trinity]

I think Jeff just meant that the player would determine the final ending to the entire series. That is, I think he missed the fact that we were asking about the starting point to G5, not its end.

 

It might be cool to be able to choose the starting point in G5, but I think it would actually be a bad idea. I like the feeling of starting the game with a definite situation in the world, and then affecting it with my actions. A Nethergate-like option to play the same plot from either side would be better. But a plot with more branching and nonlinear feedback would be best of all.

[Emperor Tullegolar]

It's tough to have that non-linear plot and still make it well developed. Geneforge 4 had a great plot, but it was more linear than previous games. Geneforge 2 was the least linear, but it also had less plot.

[Darko]

I hope in Geneforge 5 they bring back the origanal shaper and guardians

[Darko]

also the endings I think should happen in geneforge 5 are:#1 you have been true to the shapers you have resisted the enymy's power and rewards you have resisted the Geneforge you have been awarded by the council for what you have done in the end you become very wealthy powerful, and you become part of the shaper council.

 

#2 you have been modified by the Geneforge, and no one trusts you any more, but every one knows not to anger you go into the woods never to return the shaper council send thousands of shapers, guardians, and agents to kill you none of them return soon the shaper council ignores you you make hoards of creations and they all live as long as you do and you live for a very long time...The End

[Spidweb]

The beginning of Geneforge 5 will involve spectacular devasation. The end of the series will be up to you. There will be a large selection of possibilities. Including, of course, even more spectacular devastation.

 

- Jeff Vogel

[Student of Trinity]

For me 'non-linear' is physics-speak. I don't mean so much that it should offer a wide open sprawl of many things to do, but that things you do should change the world you encounter later. In a sense that makes for sprawl, because it raises the number of very different paths that can be taken through the game. But along any one of them, the number of available choices at any time may still be rather small.

 

For me that's okay. Too many options at any given time is hard to handle in an RPG, because either most of them are too hard for you right now, in which case you don't really have many options; or else some of them will be cakewalks when you come back to them after gaining six levels while following the other choices first.

[Randomizer]

Quote:

Originally written by Spidweb:
The beginning of Geneforge 5 will involve spectacular devasation. The end of the series will be up to you. There will be a large selection of possibilities. Including, of course, even more spectacular devastation.

- Jeff Vogel

This ought to warm ET's icy heart. He can finally destroy all who oppose him in a massive devastation.

[Shaper Mateus]

My idea is based on the trakovite ending:

Both factions are struggling for victory, and both the shapers and rebels are getting desperate to win this war.

 

On the mountainsides of western terrestia however, an old and forgotten sect still lives. They bellonged to the primitive people who once inhabited all of terrestia, but got wiped out by the shapers and were (supposedly) extinct. These people had a very strong connection with death and the spirit world and had the power to summon powerful spirits and bind them to their will.

 

The shapers and rebels, upon discovery of this long forgotten tribe journey to the mountains to take their power for their own. What else could be better than summoning the dead as new (recruits) for the war?

 

Both sides tried to obtain that power for their own using different methods:

 

- The shapers tried to trade knowledge with them, teaching them how to shape the most basic creations, inevitably causing a great number of rogue creations roaming the lands;

 

- The serviles and human part of the rebel faction used canisters to bribe them, causing many of them to become mad and aggressive, even to their own people, while the arrogant drakons threatened them into giving up their secrets, eventually findind out that creations didn't have the power to "spiritbind" (the ability to create spirits and bind them into this world"). Unfortunately for the drakons both the mad and still sane part of the sect had a large number of spirits which trapped the drakons in the mountains. The drakons tried to resist at first, destroying many spirits and their masters, but their forces weren't very large and they were forced to scatter and hide in the mountains.

 

Right, heres were the story begins:

 

These mountains are now filled with rogue creations made by rebels, shapers and the sect members trying to use their newfound powers, sect members maddened by the power of the cannisters, who became aggressive against everyone, even their own, and also confused spirits who lost the connection to their former masters and now attack anything they see.

 

You are not a shaper or a rebel, instead you are part of this sect.

 

Your small village is attacked by a horde of fleeing drakons and you must escape. You find a cannister and you learn how to shape. A new addition is that you can also "spiritbind" or "spirit shape" or whatever, giving you necromantic powers (raising spirits, maybe half creation, half dead abominations too) adding many more options to the gameplay.

 

Your mission is too reach the main city of (dunno the name), the last bastion for the still sane part of your sect, and until then you are contacted by the shapers, who scorn you at first for using forbidden magic (necromancy) and having used a canister too, but also know that you can be of use to them, by the human and servile part of the rebellion, who offer you cannisters and power if you help them destroy the shapers in the mountains, and even the maddened sect members (who are similar to the barzites, making huge armies of rogue creations and using every canister they find) giving you the opportunity to join them and embrace true power. The drakons play a minor role in this story as they are hated by the sect, by the shapers and by the rebels who have no love for them, giving you freedom to kill them (it will be hard to help them in any way as their arrogance is too great).

 

In the end you would discover a geneforge made by the maddened sect who were aided by the leader of the drakon expedition, [insert name here], giving you the possibility to use it, destroy it, etc

 

Possible endings could be:

 

Shaper: You destroy the geneforge, you don't use it and you kill mad sect members and rebels - The shapers are indebted with your help and with the knowledge you gave them. With it, they summoned armies of dead and rallied them against the unbound. No matter how powerful they were, the unbound couldn't stand against every single "casualty" the war had until now. In the end the rebels were destroyed, but the cruel shapers, considering necromancy a forbidden art, destroyed your people and every evidence they could find that it ever existed including you (if you took canisters) or they spared you because of your service to the shapers as long as you promised to never use necromancy ever again (if you took almost no canisters).

 

Rebels: You help the human part of the rebellion rally an immensely powerful army of creations and spirits, that was taken into shaper territory. However the rebels knew best and eradicated drakons and the unbound too, as they had become too dangerous. You and your people were well compensated for you service and you became know to everyone, however the canisters and the power they represented was to great for someone like you, and in the end you became mad and obsessed with power, striking fear into everyone who crossed your ways. In the end you were sent into exile so that you caused no further damage (using canisters), or you achieved a great position of influence in the rebel society. you acquired a great deal of wealth and power and you were remembered as one of the great saviors of the rebellion.

 

Madness: You joined the mad part of the sect and used the geneforge. Soon after information started to escape of your doings and both rebel and shaper factions tried to stop you and your new faction from gaining power, however by the time they got there you and many others had already bathed in the awesome power of the geneforge. The war didn't last long as you side came victorious. The next years were marked by the fall of the shapers and rebels. The earth was scorched and all that remained were blasted landscapes and horrid abominations roaming the earth. You and your brethren however were too powerful to care. No rogue dared to get near any of you, and even if any new faction could arise from the ashes, it stood no chance against an army of gods. In time you became immune to disease, to weapons and even to age itself, at the cost of sanity. Petty struggles within your own sects started to arise and in the end nothing was left, except for a small band of outcasts who had spent the last years hiding from your tyranny, who now had to rebuild an entire world and avoid extinction.

 

geneforge: You used the geneforge and destroyed it, along with all the other sects, and escaped by yourself out the mountains - You became the most powerful being in the world, capable of summoning dead and creating living servants, making you almost a god. information of your deeds ran across the land and both the shapers and rebels tried to use you for your purposes, but you prefered to erect your own kingdom and destroy all other factions. In the end you were able to shape yourself so profoundly using both shaping and necromantic magic that you were able to evade even death. You kingdom lasted for countless centuries, as nothing could oppose you. You lived shrouded by your own ego and insanity forever, ruling a kingdom of slaves bound to your demented will, and you lived for a very, very long time.

 

I didn't specify names for the sect or anything else cause im not good at making them up.

 

I´m portuguese and i didn't check my spelling, so im sorry for any grammar errors

 

I think this would be a good change of plot for geneforge as you would be seeing the war from another perspective, also you could explore more into the old sects and their powerful magic, and it would also give a good ending for the story (of course if jeff wanted the war to continue, he could just write: BUT others from your sect survived and joined with the shapers and rebels, also giving their knowledge to them and bla bla bla long war....

 

I really don't wanna read my post as it is VERY long, so i apologize of something's unclear, or anything.

[Shaper Mateus]

Oh and about spirit shaping:

 

It would basically be like magic shaping or battle shaping or whatever, giving you the power to shape creatures,but this time combining the power to raise the dead with the ability to use essence to augment them and make them resilient enough for combat.

 

Examples would be:

 

Shape Shade (shades are immune to poison)

 

Shades are ghosts brought back using special rituals, and in this case, strengthened by using essence. They are hard to hit and have a slowing cold touch, but have low hitpoints

 

Shape lvl 3 Shade - Wraith

Wraiths are an improved version of shades, much more essence is used in augmenting them, making them easier to be hit, but giving them a much more powerful attack and more hitpoints

 

Shape Golem

 

A golem is a shaper creation, an empty shell which can be used to bind a spirit. Golems host a powerful shade within them, giving them more power and intelligence than the normal golem. Golems can take a lot of punishment before they die and their fists can hit hard making them powerful creations.

 

Shape lvl 3 golem - Oozing golem

 

Unlike the normal golems, these golems have been infused with special essence to spread acid against attackers through wounds. These golems have immunity to acid and poison and spread acid to all nearby attackers when damaged.

 

etc etc. you know my point make 3 more creations that are connected with the spirit world and voila a new kind of shaping that can only be acquired by "regular" learning, and not by canisters, used by the sects of old is created.

 

Also the character choices could be:

 

Ritualist -

shaping: strong

magic: average

combat: weak

 

Channeler -

shaping: average

magic: strong

combat: weak

 

Eremite -

shaping: weak

magic: strong

combat: average

 

Paladin (yea i know the name isn't the best, but i can't come up with anything better)

shaping: weak

magic: average

combat:strong

 

meh just some ideas hope you like them

[Emperor Tullegolar]

Quote:

Spidweb:
The beginning of Geneforge 5 will involve spectacular devasation.

Should we assume this means the Rebels win Geneforge 4 and unleash the unbound? Good. I want the Rebels to be in power for a little while so people can see just how horrible life under drakons would really be. They will beg for the return of order. They might even turn to extremists like me to give it to them.

[Kelandon]

I see we've just been graced by the presence of the great Atlantean god of... of... deceit!

[Shaper Mateus]

i see we have another indy fan here

[furvyn]

If Trakovites ever gain power, a more extreme faction would end up hunting down and repressing any magic or shaping. Intrinsically magical beings might have lower class status or worse.

 

I wonder if for a while there would be magic suppressing artifact creation for Trakovites attempting to defeat magic users. Otherwise, I'm not sure how they'd be able to gain the upper hand against a concentrated force of magic users.

 

I would think they would suspect any use of magic or magic artifacts and might not want to resort to it.

 

Perhaps some mental based discipline would emerge, though those cults never seem to turn out well in the game.

[The Ripper]

G5 = You are a lone Eyebeast with Down Syndrome wandering the ruins of Terrestria in the Aftermath of the war, when you come upon a working geneforge...

[Shaper Mateus]

G5- Shaper ending:

The only rebel outpost left was in the ashen isles, which was later destroyed by a small shaper army.

However it is then discovered that in an island near the ashen isles there are a few rogue creations and human rebels still hiding. The shapers don't wan't to take any chances, so they send you and a small scout party to investigate and measure the enemy forces

 

Your mission: check out the isle, probably destroy a geneforge or some uber powerful weapon or something and return home to give your report on the size of the enemy forces.

 

Who you are: probably an ex-rebel, infiltrator or even creation meant not to arouse suspicion. If you played as a human shapers wouldn't give you such a hard time, but it would be harder to gain the trust of the rebels and vice versa

 

Shaper support: a small camp at the start of the game and a few infiltrators hiding everywhere

 

Rebel support: Almost everything, since this is the last bastion of the rebels, you will find them desperate and needing help. even if they find out that you're a shaper infiltrator, some of them will try to recruit you into the rebel cause first, and kill you if you don't agree.

 

As for being a creation, you would probably be a servile like in g4 (you couldn't be much more, since most of the creations are too dumb to perform such a complex mission, and those who aren't are forbidden to be made), or some new creation made or whatever

[Suspicious Vlish]

I still think that it would be awesome to be a visiting Sholai who is forced to choose between the Rebels and the Shapers. Just imagine your character's reaction when he finds out how the issue of Trajkov was covered up. It's clear from the reaction of the diplomat in GF3 that the Sholai aren't entirely impressed with the oppressive Shaper regime.

 

It's quite poetic that the people who started the entire chain of events of Geneforge have a say in how they conclude.

[Micawber]

The symmetry would be nice, but the Sholai have not had any influence on the last 3 games, and they certainly won't in the last one.

[DrPraetorious2]

I should probably split this into multiple posts, would've posted it earlier but I've given up on getting my old username back.

 

Being a Sholai would be okay, but I want to play as one of those crazy wild serviles from the circle of the drayk. I thought those guys were cool and I was really disappointed that my servile couldn't join them.

 

There'd be three "classes", Maker (Shaper), Seeker (Agent), and Defender (Guardian.) You are sent forth from your wilderness community to dissuade the shapers from recolonizing your lands, after you have completed your vision quest to activate your inner magic.

 

I'd also like it to be easier to be a double-agent. If you aid the shapers secretly, you should gain reputation with the shapers without losing reputation among the rebels. A high leadership should let you frame your rivals in one organization or another for whatever you do, even.

 

Civil wars are often full of this kind of double-dealing. Militarists on both sides will cooperate to prevent peace from breaking out.

 

A cool quest - not realizing you are the same person, the rebels (and the shapers) can both give you a quest to kill a rebel/shaper agent who is of course you. With the right skills, you can deliver each side someone else's corpse.

 

Of course, certain courses of action should lead you to be inevitably exposed or hoisted by your own pitard, there should be some limit to what you can talk your way out of (but it should depend on the details of the quest, not on a game mechanic, some things should give you a big boost to how much the shapers like you and cause you zero headache with the rebels.)

 

There are four factions, and you have a semi-independent reputation with each one. Within each faction there are two competing camps with, generally speaking, mutually exclusive quests.

 

Sholai Radicals want the secrets of shaping for themselves. They give you quests to bring them research notes, for example, as well as cannister designs and suchnot.

Sholai Moderates want to ensure that the conflict does not endanger their homelands. They have sundry stuff for you to do to improve relations with their homeland, but mainly want you to provide evidence to expose the radicals.

 

Shaper Conservatives want the Shaper Liberals exposed for their "treason", they want rebels killed, and they want creations (including you) oppressed. The Shaper Conservatives also want the radical rebels helped and the moderate rebels weakened.

Shaper Liberals would love to have the shaper conservatives exposed for helping the most extreme rebel elements, but they don't know it's happening. Shaper liberals want to look good for the general population, and they want a negotiated end to hostilities - albeit on their terms. Finally, the shaper liberals want to deflect the criticism that they are themselves weak or impure.

 

Rebel Moderates also want to negotiate an end to hostilities, and are probably more willing to accept concessions than the shaper liberals.

Rebel Radicals want to kill the shapers and mutilate their corpses.

 

Finally, some members of the drayk cult want to have some contact (and possible assimilation) with the outsiders.

Fundamentalist cultists want to kill these interlopers and wear their skins.

 

The Sholai mostly reward you with equipment, but they can teach you combat skills (very cheap if you help them a lot), and also some magic spells - including new magic spells added for this game, which are foreign Sholai magic unknown to the shapers.

The Shapers can of course teach you shaping and magic through conventional means.

The Rebels let you use cannisters and give you some training.

The Drakys of the Drayk Cult can give you new levels of enlightenment which give you super powers - spell/stat/creation boosts, increased AP, increased resistances, permanent spells like regeneration or spike shield. However, there are social consequences if you have too many of these rewards (since they come with disfiguring tattoos.)

The Traykovites have been wiped out as a movement - but some of their writings remain and you can do Trakovite quests if you wish, and get told about it at the end.

 

And I would like more shaping customization:

 

You should be able to make your own "steel skinned Vlish" and the like. The maximum number of "levels" of customization you can apply to any given creation is equal to your skill in that creation - the number of skill levels needed to make it.

 

So if you have fyora 4, you can make a fyora with three custom powers or a cryoa with one custom power.

 

Each custom power has to be learned individually and some custom power / creation combinations are disallowed. Furthermore, each customization requires a certain level of shaping skill. So, if you want to make a steel-skinned Fyora, you need both Fire shaping (to make the Fyora) as well as a certain amount of Battle Shaping so that you can qualify for the steel-skinned enhancement.

 

Other requests:

More archaeology. Ancient ruins are fun and there should be some, with forgotten shaper secrets and all.

 

Main cities: Conversely, we've never been a really populated area before. Even if it's only partially accessible (because the city is quarantined, you can't reach the surrounding countryside, say) a major city, at least a dozen areas in size, would be real cool.

 

Political interests for non-shaper-mages. Back since GeneForge1 there's a mention of other magical guilds. Now that we're out to the fifth game, it would be nice to flesh out the background of their culture and society a little. The alchemists, and the people who make all that crystal crap, whatever other mages there are, they must have schools and societies and you should be able to meet them, even if they aren't a main faction.

[Shaper Mateus]

i like most of your idea, however the customization idea seems too complex for Jeff to put it in the game, but who knows?

 

About the ruins and other people i agree completely. It's about time our curiosity is sated once and for all about the other inhabitants (or ex inhabitants) who live(d) around here.

[Goldengirl]

The Shapers recieve the Unbound specifications, but they're incomplete, and as a result they can't put up an adequate defence when the Unbound attack the Western Morass in their full glory. The Shapers continue to fight, having a rough ability to defeat the Unboung, and the war goes from Eastern, to Central, to Western Terrestia.

 

Rebels: They're powerful, but not invincible. The Shapers are able to destroy the Unbound, and gained territory is usually lost between the time the Unbound are destroyed and the next Unbound arrive.

 

Shapers: They have the power to defeat the Unbound, but not indefinetly. They also have called out the army from the other continent, and are at a stalemate with the Rebels. The Unbound surge forward, taking land, the Shapers destroy them eventually, and retake the land, and then the process repeats with the same borders.

 

Trakovites: Gaining power immensly, having recruited other magic guilds, natives (pre/post Shaper annexation), and the even small amounts of visiting Sholai. Control the islands in the inland sea, the underground (mostly), and parts of the border lands.

 

Endgame: The Rebels are developing a new kind of Spawner, which will make Unbound continuosly. Loyalists want them all dead, and the Unbound specifications (which are needed for the Spawners) retrieved. The Rebels want you to gather ingredients and protect the Spawners as they're being made. The Trakovites want you to create the Spawners, and deliver the specifications to the Shapers.

 

Rebels: Shapers are overwhelmed, eventual collapse of the Shaper Empire, and the Trakovites (everyone of them)

Shapers: Terrestia seized back, rebels fall in last stand on the Ashen Isles, both Drakons and Drayks extinct, many Trakovites dead, but some spared, knowledge on how to make Drakons, Drayks, canisters, Spawners, and the Geneforge destroyed.

Trakovites: War escalates, and eventually a new rebellion within a rebellion starts, destroying both sides from the inside. Knowledge about Shaping destroyed. Drakons rare, but not all dead.

[Upon Mars.]

Hum... nice ending but i would like that the last shapers fled to Sucia island and manage to survive there, crippled but alive. They soon rediscover their secrets and are left isolated for ever. No?

[Ek Wayid]

GF 5 will bring out the aweful truth, that which we have dreaded to ponder, the reason that the shapers have kept the shaping powers so secret... see, long long loooong time ago the lifecrafters invented a new creation, one which was intelligent, functional and in the end gained shaping powers themselves... these were the humans, which were created in the shaper's image (except their noses were a little smaller...) These humans eventually rose up against their creators and after a long struggle actually defeated them...and enslaved them...and reshaped them... into the simple serviles which we know of today. Anyway, the "Creators" have returned to Terrestia, and man are they p*ss*D off, at the humans, and the serviles in the revolution, all degenerate children of the shaping arts... it will take a united coalition of Shapers and Rebels to save Terrestia from the new threat of the "ancient creators"...

 

Anyway, that's how GF 5 would look from my humble perspective...

[Goldengirl]

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Originally written by Ek Wayid:
GF 5 will bring out the aweful truth, that which we have dreaded to ponder, the reason that the shapers have kept the shaping powers so secret... see, long long loooong time ago the lifecrafters invented a new creation, one which was intelligent, functional and in the end gained shaping powers themselves... these were the humans, which were created in the shaper's image (except their noses were a little smaller...) These humans eventually rose up against their creators and after a long struggle actually defeated them...and enslaved them...and reshaped them... into the simple serviles which we know of today. Anyway, the "Creators" have returned to Terrestia, and man are they p*ss*D off, at the humans, and the serviles in the revolution, all degenerate children of the shaping arts... it will take a united coalition of Shapers and Rebels to save Terrestia from the new threat of the "ancient creators"...

Anyway, that's how GF 5 would look from my humble perspective...

The proto-Shaper theory of G1 is just that. A theory. Even though the Rebellion is coming full circle, seeming to turn towards becoming the Shapers, this doesn't seem likely.

[Silver Shadow]

Unbound spawners? Now *there's* a horrifying idea. As if trying to kill five of them in G4 wasn't hard enough...

 

Definitely need the full-powered Geneforge.

 

And for the record, I'd love to play as a Drakon.

[olop4444]

I bet the Sholai will make an appearance. You can't just have them for one game! Maybe the Sholai will come back even more crazily augmented, and the Shapers and Rebels will have to work together to stop them. You could probably join the Sholai too, in the classic Geneforge fashion.

[Nick Ringer]

Jeff Vogel personally stated that the Sholai are out of the picture permanently, which is a shame. I liked them.

 

Also, they were only augmented in the first place because of the Shapers. They're just civilians now.

[Firecage]

Well. The GF5 will prob be last GF game. So why not make it a nethergate-like ending. Thee way you play will result in the finale ending. If the shapers win. The rebels will be lost and they will start reclaiming there ground. Or if the rebels win. The Age of Shapers crumbles and disappears and the rebels finishes off the last of the shapers.

[Xelgion]

Personally, I would like a stronger force coming in, so that all peeps would have to join up and fight them.

 

And also that was HORRIBLE necromancy.

[Goldengirl]

All of the new suggestions since the necromancy, will undoubtedly. Here's why.

 

Unbound Spawner: "You are now in combat. Unbound Spawner starts making a Pointfire Unbound. Unbound Spawner takes 2,000,000,000,000 magical damage. Unbound Spawner continues making a Pointfire Unbound. *A few rounds later* Unbound Spawner is still working on that Pointfire Unbound. Unbound Spawner takes 1 physical damage, dies."

 

Full-Powered Geneforge: Unlikely, but possible.

 

Drakon PC: Jeff said so. You can only be a Rebel. Overpowered. Too arrogant. There are a plethora of reasons.

 

Sholai: They're normal people, just foreigners. Normal people get crushed by both sides easily.

 

Lordofdc: That is insanely obvious. You do things that support the Shapers, you probably have to take the Shaoer ending. Et cetera. In fact, I don't even think you stated anything that wasn't in Geneforge since the beginning.

 

Stronger Force: Stronger than the 'One Shaper One Army'? Nothing short of an army of invading super-Unbound could do anything like that to make a continental wide truce. Besides, the whole game has been arcing up in an epic for the final conflict between the Shapers and Rebels.

[Ringking79]

I think Geneforge 5 should have new skills and it should end with the drakons separating from the Rebellion and destroying both the rebels and the shapers.

[Xelgion]

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I think Geneforge 5 should have new skills and it should end with the drakons separating from the Rebellion and destroying both the rebels and the shapers.

I could see it happening, that way, the people who support rebels but hate drakons will have their hour. (oh and by the way, do you mean the drakons will fight the rebels and shapers, or destroy the shapers and rebels?

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