The Ripper

Quote: Originally written by LakiRa@: It would be avesome if you had that power. Agreed. I would so teleport myself to the other side of Turabi Gate.

Quote: Originally written by Dikiyoba: Shapers live in a world of essence and magic, not DNA, cells, and radiation. Our way of thinking about how shaping could work is probably radically different than a Shaper would see it. Dikiyoba.[/QB] Good point. I guess I think of it more like science fiction now, what with all the amazing advances in biotech, its not hard to imagine the near-future containing some very relevant analogies to GF. Or maybe I've been listening to too much Kurzweil.

Thanks Celtic, that is informative. Where do they take their stem cells from? Or do they just manufacture the cells themselves as well? Dikiyoba: I don't think anyone can disagree that shapers did not know anything about DNA and stuff, but I believe they could manipulate Genes without understanding the mechanisms behind it. Similar to how early humans unconsciously selected aurocs into cows without realizing what they were doing.

Quote: By the way, it is Nalyd's impression that Shapers Shape by creating the zygote of a base creature, bombarding it with different types of radiation, and accelerating the growth process.[/QB] The second part of that theory makes sense to me, but how do they create the zygote? Where do they get the Gametes from? From their own reproductive organs?

Quote: Originally written by Anglo-Saxonking: 1. Make it a high level creation, created by the Shapers as a last hope. Possibly GIFTS-like. Yes!!! That opens up the possibility of friendly spider areas in Geneforge! Finally!

All I have to say is thatJeff Vogel is a king among men, a beloved genius, and my personal hero. Not to take anything away from the all-important statement above, I would also like to add that I'm all for the checkpoint/area style world, as opposed to totally open. Quote: However, I'm not going to design games like that anymore. They are too difficult to balance properly. This is a good thing, not - as you have put it - something to apologize for. I don't want to fall asleep at level 1 holding the 8 key, and wake up fighting Hakaai. -theripper

G5 = You are a lone Eyebeast with Down Syndrome wandering the ruins of Terrestria in the Aftermath of the war, when you come upon a working geneforge...

woohoo, it IS on the ftp! I'm installing it right now!

Oh yeah? well my new spell idea is like a "Gargoyle" Spell. It'd be good for deadweight shapers. You just cast it at the beginning of a batte and it turns your to stone. You can't do anything but you're invulnerable for several turns.

See: Criteria for admission to Hogwarts Translation: Mostly nepotism plus wildcards

Chuckle. Actually, this deserves more than a chuckle. It deserves an LOL.

Side note: Shades/Ghosts must have essense too, since some can spray acid, right?

Quote: Originally written by Ash Lael: Quote: Originally written by Thuryl: Shapers have essence glands, of course. When I read this, I could not help thinking of Dr Strangelove. Purity of essense!!! Equality for creations? That's communist talk! ^ teh offtopic.

yes, 3 of them I believe. THe 4th is on the same map as the mind.

Whoa, Jeff actually reads what a low-life like me posts about his games? That makes me less angry. Anyway, back to the topic of serviles shaping. I still don't like it at all. But then, to me there's no way to play a satisfying game as a servile. It would just be a novelty. Call me an arrogant shaper, but I truly believe that all of the problems of the magic/shaping getting out of control is really only perpetuated by mad shapers/humans. In geneforge 2 for example, which I consider to be the perfect game. Can't be improved upon. In G2, the only reason the Awakened weren't dead by the time you got to Medab is because of Tuldaric. All the cunning of Pinner, and other serviles could not make up for the sheer power of one crazy mage. Or Spharon's Lands in G3, those serviles were probable the strongest serviles we've run into so far, but that's only because they were all controlled by a human master. ^ And I think that's the main point I'm driving here, is that although it would be really cool story-wise to play from the perspective of a servile, it shouldn't have the same gameplay. Otherwise its just too much of a leap from the previous Geneforge's (like in the examples above). I mean, as stated on the previous page, its just not your style, so its a leap I'll have to adjust to, but I think we'd be better off with a Roman/Celt situation when it comes to Human/Creations.