Fledgling Fyora hickmanj Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Is there a way to play male? I cannot find it.... I can't believe I can't select my own gender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Jeff replied 6 months ago that he couldn't afford to make graphic sprites for both sexes for each class. If Avadon sells well enough for him to make a sequel, then there will be a choice of sex for Avadon 2. It takes time and money to make all the graphics so we could have waited longer and/or paid more money to get his games. Basilisk Games did the same thing for Eschalon: Book 1 where you could only be male. Welcome to Spiderweb Software. Please leave your sanity at the door. It will make understanding so much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Vertimyst Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Would you rather play a male sorceress? The reason the classes are gender-locked is because Jeff simply doesn't have the resources to create two distinct models for each class. There's a lot of work involved for something so seemingly trivial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 thats why in geneforge that shapers can be both as there faces and bodies are hidden,the guardians are obviusly males,and the agents look much like females Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Yeah, some of us complained about it when the character creation screenshot first went up and didn't have any success in changing it. Dikiyoba suggests ignoring the graphics and making your character whatever gender you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 yes. use your imagination. then your character can be any gender you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Loyal Servile thats why in geneforge that shapers can be both as there faces and bodies are hidden,the guardians are obviusly males,and the agents look much like females Yeah, and the limited graphics for the three Shaper sects is basically responsible for one of the dumbest blunders of G5. Dikiyoba hopes we don't get any repeats of that in Avadon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 there are five in geneforge 4. and evan those are gender specific exept the warrier and servile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma tehpineapple Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 And another thing, how come I can't play as Redbeard? Or a giant spider? Or Buffy the vampire slayer? so much for immersion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I will say that, despite the low graphics budget, I think it was a really unfortunate choice to make both physically-oriented classes male, and both magically-oriented classes female. Geneforge did the same thing: the combat-specialized Guardian was male, while the magic-specialized Agent (and later, the Sorceress) was female. On the other hand, SW games have never given out different stat bonuses to different genders, a practice that is all too common. SW deserves some applause for resisting this urge even as Eschalon picks it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 pinnaple. that would just take WAY too long for jeff. that would just make the game come out LATER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Recalibrate your humor detector. That's a joke. —Alorael, who believes Jeff has said something to the effect of having the budget for a new set of graphics for Avadon 2. (A2? Ack! Already taken. And Av is not unique either! Abbreviation needed!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Erebus the Black Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 RB2 (assuming he's still alive by the end of this game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Carington x2 Recalibrate your humor detector. That's a joke. —Alorael, who believes Jeff has said something to the effect of having the budget for a new set of graphics for Avadon 2. (A2? Ack! Already taken. And Av is not unique either! Abbreviation needed!) AVD2, perhaps? As opposed to AVR2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I think we need to involve some diacritics in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Å2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 i was going to suggest differentiating games by their last letter instead of their first but then people would confuse geneforge with nethergate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Erebus the Black Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Lilith i was going to suggest differentiating games by their last letter instead of their first but then people would confuse geneforge with nethergate I hope you meant last consonant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Milla Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: CRISIS on INFINITE SLARTIES I will say that, despite the low graphics budget, I think it was a really unfortunate choice to make both physically-oriented classes male, and both magically-oriented classes female. Geneforge did the same thing: the combat-specialized Guardian was male, while the magic-specialized Agent (and later, the Sorceress) was female. On the other hand, SW games have never given out different stat bonuses to different genders, a practice that is all too common. SW deserves some applause for resisting this urge even as Eschalon picks it up. Though there were quite a few female guardians in game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Mistb0rn Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Carington x2 (A2? Ack! Already taken. And Av is not unique either! Abbreviation needed!) How about D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 We could just go with the second letter since the first is taken. V. Bonus points for specifying any sequels with Roman numerals, and forever confuse the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Milla Though there were quite a few female guardians in game. There were 2. In the entire series. There is also the shock trooper class, but unfortunately the only shocktrooper NPC in the series relies almost entirely on her creations. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: null We could just go with the second letter since the first is taken. V. Bonus points for specifying any sequels with Roman numerals, and forever confuse the world. I think V would work best. I'm still confused whether Exile is referred to as E or as X, though, since I've seen both used interchangeably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Locmaar Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I prefer Avon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I'll tell you what I do internally. Avernums: A, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, BoA Geneforge: G, G2, etc. Avadon: Av, Av2, etc. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Khoth Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I like Ad, Ad2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Soul of Wit Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Khoth I like Ad, Ad2 Agreed. Av is ambiguous. I've always used A1 and not just A for Avernum 1. It's definitely E3 for the best Spiderweb game ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Av works for me because of pronunciation. I pronounce Avernum as A-ver-num, and Avadon as Av-a-don. Therefore using the first syllable as the abbreviation makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dantius I think V would work best. I'm still confused whether Exile is referred to as E or as X, though, since I've seen both used interchangeably. You probably haven't - when you see something like "X3", it means we're talking about *both* Exile 3 and Avernum 3. Same with Blades - if both are being spoken about, it's BoX, otherwise BoE/BoA. Exile has always been "E" and Avernum "A", at least on the boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Jeff's system makes sense. But since the forums are divided by games, it shouldn't be too hard, except in General. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Matanbuchus Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Spidweb I'll tell you what I do internally. Avernums: A, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, BoA Geneforge: G, G2, etc. Avadon: Av, Av2, etc. - Jeff Vogel Matanbuchus likes this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 What Nikki said. Recently though I've used E/A rather than X, because people always assume X just means Exile. It doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: CRISIS on INFINITE SLARTIES Recently though I've used E/A rather than X, because people always assume X just means Exile. It doesn't. It's a logical assumption, since X and EX sound phonetically identical, and there's no X anywhere in Avernum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Zummi Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dantius It's a logical assumption, since X and EX sound phonetically identical, and there's no X anywhere in Avernum. Lies, there is so much a X in Avernum as there is in Exile. They both like anvils too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: meAzuma Originally Posted By: Dantius It's a logical assumption, since X and EX sound phonetically identical, and there's no X anywhere in Avernum. Lies, there is so much a X in Avernum as there is in Exile. They both like anvils too. Well, if you're taking that line of argument, there's twice as much X in Avernum as in Exile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba Originally Posted By: Loyal Servile thats why in geneforge that shapers can be both as there faces and bodies are hidden,the guardians are obviusly males,and the agents look much like females Yeah, and the limited graphics for the three Shaper sects is basically responsible for one of the dumbest blunders of G5. Dikiyoba hopes we don't get any repeats of that in Avadon. What might that blunder be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Erebus the Black Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I still think RB would be better, but if you insist on having the name of the game in the acronym you can use ABF for Avadon black fortress, unless there's an avernum with that exact acronym as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: The Ratt Av works for me because of pronunciation. I pronounce Avernum as A-ver-num, and Avadon as Av-a-don. Therefore using the first syllable as the abbreviation makes sense. The first syllable of "Avadon" is still just A. Syllables always begin with a consonant unless there's no consonant present to begin it. But if it works for you, fine. Just know that your explanation is faulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel Syllables always begin with a consonant unless there's no consonant present to begin it. I'm not sure about the "always" part. There is a trend, but the actual syllabic accent can change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel The first syllable of "Avadon" is still just A. Syllables always begin with a consonant unless there's no consonant present to begin it. Actually, things aren't so simple. It's true that most languages are traditionally analyzed in terms of CV and CVC syllables. But the phonetic reality is that consonant clusters in the onset or coda affect both preceding and succeeding vowel sounds (primarily through spreading), so when there is just one consonant cluster between two vowels, syllabifying as ©V.CV rather than ©VC.V is not always as clear-cut as it would seem... particularly in English, with its mishmash of pronounciations and its tolerance for obese consonant clusters. There are even reasonable, if hotly contested, arguments made for ambisyllabicity, in which consonant sounds can fit into two syllables: Av-va-don. (See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllable#Syllable_structure) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Eh, I could agree with ambisyllabicity, maybe. In any case, when I say "Avadon", the second syllable is definitely started with a V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel In any case, when I say "Avadon", the second syllable is definitely started with a V. do you pronounce it like Ava Gardner or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Olle Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 you could always mod the games graphics for a male sorcerer... ...with long blond hair and massive chest muscles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Well, it's not as if the "chest muscles" on the PC sorceress graphic are all that huge, anyway. I think the biggest problem for making her (or is it him, at this point?) look masculine is the waist-hip ratio and the skirt. The easiest female graphic to gender-mod would probably be Jennell: the looseness of her clothing contributes to an androgynous image, and her shoulders are relatively broad. Her face still appears more traditionally feminine, but that's probably the only part of the graphic one would have to modify. The shaman PC and Nathalie graphics are probably a lost cause, though. On the flip side, given that their faces and bodies are so concealed, the shadowwalker graphics aren't all that clearly gendered. Especially Shima's: the way his arms and legs are extended makes it hard to discern the relative breadth of his shoulders and hips, whereas the shoulders are clearly broader on the PC graphic. Both blademaster graphics would be harder, though I suppose the bulky armor is a bit androgynous as well. I'm not entirely sure why I've devoted so much thought to this. I think it's unfortunate that both casters are female, while both fighters are male, but I'm not going to go so far as to mess with the graphics files to change that. And from what he's said, it sounds like Jeff will go the Diablo 3 route on Ava2 and decouple gender and character class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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