Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Michael, Raphael, Azrael and possibly a few other archangels would disagree. (As would most fantasy authors.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Rionep Ecnirp Etlevs Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Arancaytrus Michael, Raphael, Azrael and possibly a few other archangels would disagree. (As would most fantasy authors.) THIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 British English would like to join the protest. —Alorael, who never quite knows how fantasy authors intend for their odd vowel combinations to be pronounced. Two vowels? Dipthong? Ignore the A? Ignore the E? G'khlauy'fnar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Dekubaba needs a massive nose. ADoS, get on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Artemis~ Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 ...What? ~Artemis and being completely lost. Though I do like the uber-random turn this topic is making... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Pro-tip: Don't make one- or two-word posts which add nothing to the conversation. I was playing on the fact that "Dekubaba" sounds like "Yubaba", a character from this film, instead of going with the obvious Zelda reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Artemis~ Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Quote: Iwas playing on the fact that "Dekubaba" sounds like "Yubaba", a character from this film, instead of going with the obvious Zelda reference. Oh, yeah. That added a whole LOT to the convorsation. ~Artemis and productiveness. I'm not. It never bothered anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Nikki Dekubaba Dikiyoba is not pleased. Go play in traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 If you are not pleased, why did you change the name of the thread to Arolael vs. Dekubaba? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Someone is dangerously encroaching on my turf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan inni Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Originally Posted By: Dantius Have you read Atlas Shrugged? I use it as a doorstop. the voice acting is poor at the beginning but its still funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Swimmin' Salmon Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 No one on the internets are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Goldengirl Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Originally Posted By: Poached Salmon No one on the internets are wrong. That is a basic assumption that I hold to be pragmatically true, to escape from situations like this:http://xkcd.com/386/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Rionep Ecnirp Etlevs Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 Yikes. I'm stepping on everyone's toes. I admit a one-word post doesn't add much, but Samus Arancaytrus beat me to the point about typical angels' names. P.S. Misrememorizing someone's moniker isn't considered trolling, is it? If so, I swear I'm innocent! But if I did it, here's how I would... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Quote: Samus Arancaytrus Mh... now I'm wondering if I can squeeze a third name allusion into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Originally Posted By: Doppelnacht —Alorael, who never quite knows how fantasy authors intend for their odd vowel combinations to be pronounced. Two vowels? Dipthong? Ignore the A? Ignore the E? G'khlauy'fnar! I dunno about fantasy authors, but typically the AE in English ignores the A. There are exceptions though. Originally Posted By: Dantius If you are not pleased, why did you change the name of the thread to Arolael vs. Dekubaba? You are misattributing the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel I dunno about fantasy authors, but typically the AE in English ignores the A. There are exceptions though. Care to give an example? You could say Michael, but the sound isn't really an A or E sound. I can't even think of a word off the top of my head that has AE and isn't a name. Probably because I just woke up, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Aether. Encyclopaedia. Any word in which the A is omitted in the American spelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Ah, English English. Having lived in America my whole life, I'm not familiar with such spellings. When I see them, I tend to say the A just because it's amusing to see how it sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Originally Posted By: Slippery Eel Yikes. I'm stepping on everyone's toes. I admit a one-word post doesn't add much, but Samus Arancaytrus beat me to the point about typical angels' names. Don't worry; Nikki's post wasn't really directed at you. Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel Originally Posted By: Dantius If you are not pleased, why did you change the name of the thread to Arolael vs. Dekubaba? You are misattributing the change. Dikiyoba did change the subject of one of Dikiyoba's posts to that, however. Anyone who took that post seriously needs to go back and read it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Wiki link It isn't quite that simple, CM -- AE was a vowel in its own right in Old English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Actaeon Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Originally Posted By: Master1 I'm well aware of Nalyd's gimmick, as well as most of those by people in the Geneforge 5 and General threads (including Artie). And what about those of us without gimmicks? How will we be remembered? Edit: Is editing almost every post a gimmick? I hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 My gimmick is inserting Star Wars quotes if the opportunity presents itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Æ is the "ash" vowel in Old English. It makes a sound much like the A in "cat," but it isn't ae, it's æ. Michael has the ae as a schwa. Raphael has two distinct vowels. Fantasy sometimes seems to use it as a long A, but I'm not sure if that has any basis in actual spoken English. —Alorael, who prefers the British spelling because he is, in fact, a bloody wanker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 I think the "long A" pronounciation of "AE" comes from church Latin, and other more modern Europeanizations of Latin pronounciation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Originally Posted By: Master1 Ah, English English. No, British English. Originally Posted By: Master1 When I see them, I tend to say the A just because it's amusing to see how it sounds. Yeah, well, it's not the correct pronunciation. (Though, I think I've tried that too at times, especially when I see the AE spelling before the E spelling.) Originally Posted By: Slarty Wiki link It isn't quite that simple, CM -- AE was a vowel in its own right in Old English. It wasn't considered a letter of its own though, from what I can tell from that article. Regardless, the article isn't particularly relevant to the discussion, since I'm talking about how it is usually pronounced in modern English. Originally Posted By: Slarty I think the "long A" pronounciation of "AE" comes from church Latin, and other more modern Europeanizations of Latin pronounciation. The "long A" isn't the canonical classical Latin pronunciation, but I don't know as much about the medieval Latin, so you're likely right. But the long A is not (usually) the correct pronunciation of AE in modern English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel Originally Posted By: Master1 Ah, English English. No, British English. No, just "English". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Originally Posted By: child of the moon Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel Originally Posted By: Master1 Ah, English English. No, British English. No, just "English". Stop being British. I mean, English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Hence why I tell people I speak American Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 British and American are nationalities. English is a language. Or at least, that's how I see it. Your mileage may vary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Hypnotic Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Americans speak Enlish weather they'll admit it or not. It would be like me saying I speak New Zealand. I could just have equally said I speak Canada or Australian but the truth is that its English. However strange the language may be. Hmm mabey I speak Florida! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Maybe inhabitants of the Enlades speak Enlish. Me, I'm an English speaker. —Alorael, who can't actually understand anyone who speaks with all those deprecated vowels. It's not Americentrism. It's the fact that you aren't supposed to pronounce those extra vowels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Originally Posted By: Alorael Maybe inhabitants of the Enlades speak Enlish. Me, I'm an English speaker. Speaking in weather would be kind of cool, though. Well, except when you're sad and have little gray rainclouds following you around everywhere, I guess. Frost ice Dikiyoba drizzle ice cloud fog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan inni Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 or smiley faces would be a nice way to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel British and American are nationalities. English is a language. Could you do me a favour, then, and look this up in the encyclopaedia? Actually, they are different dialects of the same language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 No, that's not British and American. That's British English and American English. And actually, neither of those are a dialect. Both British English and American English are actually a collection of dialects. Canadian English, on the other hand, is a single dialect (or two at most). I suspect Australian English and New Zealand English are as well, though I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Originally Posted By: I need no introduction or smiley faces would be a nice way to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Monroe Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Isn't English a nationality as well? If it wasn't, than Scottish and Welsh wouldn't be be either, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Skomer Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 For some administrative purposes in Britain, at least, English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish are all nationalities. Quite how a person defines their nationality seems to be entirely subjective: my passport says that my nationality is British Citizen, however when asked my nationality at a government office, I was told that "British" was not valid (nor was "British Citizen"), and I had to choose one of the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Oh flower of Scotland! When will we see your like again? That fought and died for Your wee bit hill and glen, And stood against them, Proud Edward's army, And sent them homeward To think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity Oh flower of Scotland! When will we see your like again? That fought and died for Your wee bit hill and glen, And stood against them, Proud Edward's army, And sent them homeward To think again. That always struck me as an odd choice for the Scottish national anthem, rather than something like Scotland the Brave, for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 It's not an official anthem, just played at football and rugby games. For Scottish medalists at the Commonwealth games, where the various parts of the UK compete separately, they play "Scotland the Brave". "Flower of Scotland" is a little more anti-English, I guess. They're both nice tunes, but Flower is definitely easier for a beer-drinking crowd to belt out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Originally Posted By: Monroe Isn't English a nationality as well? If it wasn't, than Scottish and Welsh wouldn't be be either, right? Well, technically, Wales and Scotland aren't currently separate nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 They aren't separate states. They are separate nations. —Alorael, who brings you this message on behalf of the hyphen between the words in nation-state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Alorael champions hyphens because they grow up into em-dashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Originally Posted By: Skomer For some administrative purposes in Britain, at least, English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish are all nationalities. Quite how a person defines their nationality seems to be entirely subjective: my passport says that my nationality is British Citizen, however when asked my nationality at a government office, I was told that "British" was not valid (nor was "British Citizen"), and I had to choose one of the above. I guess this is because the rest of the world doesn't care if we're from England or Wales, or those other places. I consider myself "English" before "British", but that's because I haven't had the history or cultures of the other nations engrained into me. My grandfather, on the other hand, used to call himself "British", as his mother was Welsh and he spent a lot of time there as a child before moving to England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Well I feel plain. I'm just a goofy old American who speaks American English. I don't even pronounce things right. I say the letter "n" like the word in. I say both Jenny and Ginny like Ginny. Oh well, I guess that's what I get for being American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Originally Posted By: Skomer For some administrative purposes in Britain, at least, English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish are all nationalities. Quite how a person defines their nationality seems to be entirely subjective: my passport says that my nationality is British Citizen, however when asked my nationality at a government office, I was told that "British" was not valid (nor was "British Citizen"), and I had to choose one of the above. One way to find this out is to ask a British person if he's English. If he gets angry, he's a Scot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Originally Posted By: Master1 I guess that's what I get for being American. You mean Amurickin! —Alorael, who likes to think that his voice is tastefully accented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Rionep Ecnirp Etlevs Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 So is an en-dash midway between a hyphen and em-dash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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