Bernard: I WANT TO STRANGLE HIM

[RaustBlackDragon]

So, how about that Bernard character in Geneforge 2? Seriously, every single sentence that leaves that worm's mouth makes me want to strangle him, he's as bad as Dolores Jane Umbridge. Here's a particular gem:

 

"I met somebody named Manny, he told me you took his Mandrake Tincture. Know anything about that?"

 

Bernard: What? Who? Oh, Manny. That servile, you mean? Yes, I think he did have some of that stuff. I didn't have any, so I took it. You know how it is, yes? The serviles belong to us shapers. we can take what we want, right?

 

The fact that this smarmy pinhead has the nerve to call himself a shaper when he did absolutely no training whatsoever, then considers himself entitled to shaper social superiority, which I don't feel is justified either, just makes my blood BOIL. What do you guys think about him?

[Randomizer]

Pretty much all the Barzhal quick made shapers are egotistical idiots. Wait until you hit Rising and you get warnings about some of them.

[nikki.]

"Jerk" might be a better way of saying it, whilst still getting your point across? Either that or just say he's infuriating.

[RaustBlackDragon]

"Jerk" might be a better way of saying it, whilst still getting your point across?

 

Fair enough, but that doesn't convey the same message. The sheer smarmy and obnoxious manner in which he is a jerk is a huge part of it too.

[RaustBlackDragon]

Alright, I fixed it, sorry about that.

[nikki.]

Thanks.

 

Of course, if you think Bernard's bad, some of the drayks and drakons you meet later on are far, far worse.

[RaustBlackDragon]

...and now he's dead. Seeing the text "We shapers are wise" above his head just made me lose it. I almost want to make a mod that does nothing but add the following dialogue option:

 

"Bernard, you are a smarmy, egotistical pinhead, and your continued existence offends me. I literally lie awake at night, struggling to go to sleep, because I know that somewhere out there, you are still breathing. I intend to fix that now." (Attack)

 

Also of note, that was the first time I have ever committed murder in a western RPG. I. Feel. So. Satisfied.

[Alakazam]

Just wait until you meet Troknan, he's fun to talk to, just don't make him too angry.

 

Alakazam: "Are you a guardian?"

 

Troknan: "What? Yes! I am a Guardian! You dare to question me!?"

[Mosquito---Slayer]

Bernard: What? Who? Oh, Manny. That servile, you mean? Yes, I think he did have some of that stuff. I didn't have any, so I took it. You know how it is, yes? The serviles belong to us shapers. we can take what we want, right?

Wow, I haven't met him yet, but such a kind of guy will probably make me rethink whether Taygen deserves to stay no. 1 in my most hated position.

[adc.]

Hehehe. I feel the same for him. It's like, killing him wasn't bad enough. Yeah, and daryks are far more worse than trolling humans.

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[The Reincarnated Baron von Steuben]

I think by shaper law, impersonation of a Shaper is punishable by only one thing. Death. Try Saving the game and kill him. I wish to see what happens

[RaustBlackDragon]

I think by shaper law, impersonation of a Shaper is punishable by only one thing. Death. Try Saving the game and kill him. I wish to see what happens

 

Way ahead of you, but I did it because he was a massive, egotistical smarmy pinhead, not because of shaper law

[The Reincarnated Baron von Steuben]

No shaper justice rage quest imma fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee my laser and hit stuff? That stinks.

[Triumph]

Babster, please keep your expressions of loathing for Bernard polite and family-friendly. Thanks!

[The Reincarnated Baron von Steuben]

in between imma and hit there should've been fire (with lots of i's). Whoops. Imma corrreeeecccttt that now. Is that inappropriate?

[Dikiyoba]

Yes, that post is fine.

 

Dikiyoba.

[The Reincarnated Baron von Steuben]

I don't like being a naughty little boy... (Don't take that the wrong way)

[Shaper Shaper]

I think that the worst person was the guy at the beginning of G4. I let the monsters kill him, and he still appeared at the stupid fort. Then, when I tried to kill him, I got killed by Greta.

[Mosquito---Slayer]

I think that the worst person was the guy at the beginning of G4. I let the monsters kill him, and he still appeared at the stupid fort. Then, when I tried to kill him, I got killed by Greta.

Which guy are you referring to?, I don't seem to remember any such guy in G4, much less the worst.

[Catoblepas]

All the Barzites are awful, awful people, IMO. Their leader is the worst-I'm still upset about that buisness with Shanti.

[tonyblews]

I jusr discovered this ages old thread and realised something... Bernard and Manny are clearly based on the character of, erm, Bernard and Manny in the TV series Black Books. Bernard is a bullying oik of a boss, and Manny is his happy-go-lucky sidekick.

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Books

[nikki.]

Haha! Good find - I'm kicking myself for not realising sooner.

[Chessrook44]

I'm pretty sure Bernard's behavior being jerkish is, well... the point. It's one of the earlies and hardest clues of what the outcome of Barzite Philosophy would be. When everyone and their mother has power, there would undoubtedly be those who would use it and abuse it to get a leg on those weaker. People ARE that awful and when power is handed out indiscriminately some of those horrible people would get that power. There's no avoiding it.

[Questionably Legal]

I'm pretty sure Bernard's behavior being jerkish is, well... the point. It's one of the earlies and hardest clues of what the outcome of Barzite Philosophy would be. When everyone and their mother has power, there would undoubtedly be those who would use it and abuse it to get a leg on those weaker. People ARE that awful and when power is handed out indiscriminately some of those horrible people would get that power. There's no avoiding it.

Yes, but who cares about that when YOU (yes, you) could be one of those with the power?

 

 

“Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't.”

― Margaret Thatcher

[Valdain the King]

So, how about that Bernard character in Geneforge 2? Seriously, every single sentence that leaves that worm's mouth makes me want to strangle him, he's as bad as Dolores Jane Umbridge. Here's a particular gem:

 

"I met somebody named Manny, he told me you took his Mandrake Tincture. Know anything about that?"

 

Bernard: What? Who? Oh, Manny. That servile, you mean? Yes, I think he did have some of that stuff. I didn't have any, so I took it. You know how it is, yes? The serviles belong to us shapers. we can take what we want, right?

 

The fact that this smarmy pinhead has the nerve to call himself a shaper when he did absolutely no training whatsoever, then considers himself entitled to shaper social superiority, which I don't feel is justified either, just makes my blood BOIL. What do you guys think about him?

 

But the problem is that Trajkov is much worse. He travels to a hidden island from across the sea with strange boats. He's basically Columbus. Traveling across the sea with strange boats. The strange boats are the nina the pinta and the santa maria. Once he gets there he takes advantage of the situation. He makes trades with savages who are in reality the serviles or would be indians. Instead of giving them poisoned blankets he uses the gene forge to make him a god. From there the serviles or indians strength is tapped and he can do whatever he wants.

 

This doesn't happen though as my shaper lets his roamers bite him before he can. The similarities are almost too close and every time I have to fight him its like a history lesson all over. Columbus is a bad guy but Trajkov is almost worse.

[Brocktree]

If you let Trajkov use the Geneforge, he grants the serviles equal rights.

[Valdain the King]

Also if he used the gene forge he would gain more navigating skills for when he sails away. The only problem is if he charts on the wrong course, he will get angry and crash the boat in the rocks. The gene forge is supposed grant intelligence and power but also impairs judgement. He might also destroy the crew with a high lvl searer in anger of charting off course. Another reason I would never use the gene forge....except in the 4th game that is.

[mouton]

But the problem is that Trajkov is much worse.

Huh? Trajkov is one of the most positive characters in the whole series AND he actually delivers. The trick is, he looks like a power-mad tyrant for the most of the game - but in the end he is the sanest heavily augmenetd person ever. His ending is, by far, the best.

[Sudanna]

The best ending is pretty clearly the Obeyer or Awakened destroy-the-Geneforge one. It's the only one that doesn't involve shattering an empire, yeah? Just because Trajkov is lucid and doesn't betray you doesn't mean he's any less of a power-mad tyrant.

[mouton]

Except it leaves the Shaper empire intact and makes way for the creation of Drakons, the rebellion, the Unbound - a long and brutal war. Trajkov's campaign was swift, effective AND resulted in relative justice.

[Lilith]

Taking the series as a whole, the plot and themes both imply pretty clearly that a war between Shapers and creations was inevitable once Sucia was rediscovered. Trajkov brings that war to the best possible conclusion, at least for anyone remotely in favour of creation rights.

[kuo]

For a bit of input, yeah, Bernard is pretty much a jack@$$.

Trajkov isn't really that bad. He has moral motivations, he's able to control the canisters, unlike those Barzites that come later...

 

Geneforge 2 has probably one of the best stories. At first, I tried to powergame all the sects, abandoning the Servants, then going to the Awakened. Seeing Shanti's death played with my emotions, and make me take a Loyalist ending. I did all I could to kill everyone in Rising after seeing that humiliating end.

 

As for the Takers, meh. Fun endgame enemies.

[Faerie Storm]

Yeah, I killed bernard too, after I I made him give me some mandrake tincture

[Meri20098]

Even though shapers are supposed to be above serviles, the whole caste system thing irritates me. It's hard to be compassionate when everyone expects a numnut who follows orders

[Hyena of Ice]

Also if he used the gene forge he would gain more navigating skills for when he sails away. The only problem is if he charts on the wrong course, he will get angry and crash the boat in the rocks. The gene forge is supposed grant intelligence and power but also impairs judgement. He might also destroy the crew with a high lvl searer in anger of charting off course. Another reason I would never use the gene forge....except in the 4th game that is.

 

I actually have a theory (granted I haven't played G4 or 5 still as I'm still diddling around in 3) that the Geneforge/canisters can, and often do exacerbate certain inborn personality traits. The risk isn't 100% however.