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Posted 15 December 2008 - 12:53 AM #36 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Originally Posted By: Vinegar and Engine Oil
—Alorael, who will grudgingly not argue that the vahnatai are collectively a reference to the Greys.


Are the Greys from one of Stephenson's books too? I've only read Cryptonomicon, Snow Crash, Quicksilver and Confusion so far.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 01:04 AM #37 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

I believe Alorael is referring to the generic alien species from popular culture.  One must admit to at least the aesthetic similarities.  Though you'd never catch the space men in glowing fungus ponchos.
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Posted 15 December 2008 - 01:08 AM #38 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Oh. I'm not that familiar with alien lore...

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 01:09 AM #39 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Erika Redmark maybe this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_the_Red
Patrick Padraig
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Pearse
Aimee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 01:23 AM #40 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

*check's Aran's location on a globe using poor knowledge of latitude and longitude*

Ah, well here in America, Greys are the generic alien.  I don't really know much about it either, it seems to just be a name given to the grey, big eyed, skinny aliens that everyone seems to like to report in their crazy abduction descriptions here.  Now they're used in movies and TV a lot, surely you've seen this type of alien before somewhere.
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Posted 15 December 2008 - 03:55 AM #41 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games


Here is an alien of the gray type.
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Posted 15 December 2008 - 03:56 AM #42 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Thanks! I think I have; I just didn't know that "Greys" was what they were officially called. smile

BloodMoon, why would Jeff Vogel name an archmage after a historical Viking?

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 10:25 AM #43 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Why not? But I don't think the name matches very well, and it's thematically inappropriate. She's also a more major character than the other cameos tend to be. The Patrick Pearse connection is also too strained; it's really just a first name and last initial. I think the name is more intended to be silly on its own, since it's essentially "Patrick Patrick." Aimee is too generic a given name to mean anything in isolation.

—Alorael, who actually wouldn't be surprised if the Greys appeared in Stephenson's books somewhere. They're the kind of wacko conspiracy theory fodder that he seems to get a kick out of.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 01:25 PM #44 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Padraig is the Irish version of Patrick.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 02:28 PM #45 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

I've got an uncle named Terence Patrick Patrick McMahon. It's a long story involving an overly enthusiastic priest.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 05:59 PM #46 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

So in the course of googling groups of names from the same town together, I think I've discovered the major source Jeff uses for random names.

News.  Despite the fact that I've never googled anything but names, I frequently get in the top 5 results an article from a Seattle newspaper that mentions all of the names I am searching for at some point.  They may be first or last names, they may be together or seperate; frequently they are part of a list.

This happens with other news sources too, but the fact that Seattle comes up more often than any other location can't be a coincidence.  It also makes sense given the number of names we see, that immediately call up a strong association to a particular celebrity or historical figure, but which we aren't used to hearing otherwise.  Winslet.  Tycho.  

I haven't recorded any of these instances because the name sources are essentially random and uninteresting.

This method does not seem to have been used much in the Exile days, which makes sense; most of the random, whitebread townspeople had random, whitebread names.  Some of the more memorable characters seem to have come from the talk.bizarre usenet group.

Finally, major characters appear to have mostly unique names.  This is obvious for, say, Khyryk or Litalia, but it appears to be true of older ones also.  Exile 1 is unclear here, as Solberg and 'X' come from usenet and some others, like Linda, are suspicious.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 08:27 PM #47 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

As I said, there is a mage in Zaskiva named Stan, who is friends with Cartman and Kenny. I don't know why Kyle is missing, but Stan is definitely there.

Also, your first contact in ASR is Vonnegut. I believe Jeff is a fan of Kurt Vonnegut, so the character is probably named after him.
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Posted 15 December 2008 - 10:01 PM #48 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

The friendly cockroaches named Gregor in A3 are a reference to The Metamorphosis.

Astoria is a small town in Oregon, but that could just be a coincidence.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 10:29 PM #49 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Two more:
In G5 there are two gardians named Ersmas and Orolo, charecters from stephensons latest book "Anathem". I won't say where due do spoilers.

Note: I'm pretty sure these and the G4 cameos aren't the only refrences to Stephensons work.  I'll go back and check.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 01:07 AM #50 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Linda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 01:24 AM #51 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Are you actually capable of doing anything besides looking things up on Google and Wikipedia and giving unhelpful references?

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:30 AM #52 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

But that would still be pretty good, for an autonomous widget running in the cloud.  Better than most spambots.  So why be unhappy?  Sway with the punch, offer no resistance, lower your expectations like water flowing downhill, and find peace.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:40 AM #53 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Sounds kind of like the Mao Te Ching.
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:02 PM #54 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Originally Posted By: Arancaytar
I'm not even sure about Karnold, Midori, Footracer and Bigail. For the most famous cameo series in Exile 3, two out of six is a poor statistic. Did Jeff ever claim this theme himself, or was it simply inferred from the two known references?
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:12 PM #55 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

If that's the case, Dikiyoba, it doesn't explain why there isn't a province named after a family member.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:14 PM #56 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

attaboy Nik, try to catch him on that technicality.
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:24 PM #57 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

We forgot Cordelia who appears as a starting character name in Avernum and as a named item in Nethergate.  Miranda appears in GF4 and is reported in GF5 and also has a named item in Nethergate: Resurrection
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:27 PM #58 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

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We forgot Cordelia ... and ... Miranda.

Are you implying what I think you are?

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:28 PM #59 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

I marvel if there is an actual train of thought here, from post to post.
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:58 PM #60 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

(Your avatar is changing to the tune of "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away".)

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 03:32 PM #61 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Cordelia the character predates Cordelia the infant, though.   (I think.  Right?)
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 03:34 PM #62 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Originally Posted By: Slarty
Cordelia the character predates Cordelia the infant, though.   (I think.  Right?)

One would hope so, what with the nipples and all.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 03:39 PM #63 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Originally Posted By: Nikki.
Originally Posted By: Slarty
Cordelia the character predates Cordelia the infant, though.   (I think.  Right?)

One would hope so, what with the nipples and all.


If you prefer the idea that Jeff named his daughter after a character from his games, sure.

(Or maybe, he just likes the name...)

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 03:45 PM #64 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Dude. Re-read my previous post(s).

To clarify - I was wondering why there isn't a province named after Jeff's sister (or brother), if he's using the particular method of naming that he is.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:02 PM #65 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Jeff posted that naming a dragon Miranda does not mean he thinks that his daughter Miranda is a dragon.  This was in response to the clothing choice for the Cordelia character.

Jeff justs likes to recycle names.  It's enviromentally friendly.
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:03 PM #66 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

As long as he doesn't recycle reasons for naming places as he does...
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:06 PM #67 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Originally Posted By: Slarty
Bjorn Lynne's earliest SW credit is G4, which was released 11 years after the Halls of Chaos were created.  So this seems unlikely.


A4, which features "Under the Bard's Tree" was released (for Mac) one year before G4. Avernum 2 also features music, but it may not be Bjorn's.

The point remains, however, as long as the Halls of Chaos were in the Exile series, which predate music and sound effects more complex than "Rar.".

Edit: MobyGames' Bjorn Lynne profile (erroneously?) dates his A4 credit in 2006. It still predates G4 by just a bit...

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 07:44 PM #68 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Formello is a town in Italy.
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 08:49 PM #69 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Nethergate in the Hollow Hills has a potion merchant named Foglio after friend and artist for the Avernum series ability artwork, Phil Foglio.
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Posted 17 December 2008 - 01:53 AM #70 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

In A3 Manual there is Patrick "patman" Karjala.
And Rone is an artist name but its Australian.




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