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Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:32 AM #1 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Name Cameos in Jeff's Games
and other sources of names


1. talk.bizarre personalities
talk.bizarre was a newsgroup frequented by Jeff in the years leading up to the first Spiderweb games, and was the single largest source of names in Exile I.  It was also used quite a bit in Exile II.  At least a few of these folks served as beta testers as well.

Exile I:
  • Andrew Solberg
  • Ron Echeverri
  • Mr. X of X Industries (a.k.a. Xian)
  • Tom Boutell
  • Blair P. Houghton
  • Elspeth
  • Ty Nance
  • Starcap'n Ra
  • Crisper Than Thou
  • Sunshine on Leith
  • Yong-Mi Kim
  • Markian Gooley
  • C.J. Silverio
  • Zed
  • Kevin "Chevyn" McAuley
  • Gypsy
  • Miles O'Neal
  • Diane Wilson
  • Caitlin Burke
  • Josh "Doc" Hayes
  • Billbill (Bill and Bill)
  • Zvi Gilbert
  • J. Eric Townsend
  • Ken Johnson (Captian Johnson?)
Exile II:
  • Tom Limoncelli
  • Julian Waldby
  • Johnathan Vail
  • Paul Egli
  • Jenine Abarbanel
  • Nathan Torkington
  • Genevieve Williams
  • Kevin Schnitzius
Avernum:
  • M. Legare
Avernum 4:
  • Soren Ragsdale (Sorengard)
2. Rutgers math colleagues
A number of characters, mostly in Exile I, were named after grad school colleagues.  Jeff quit his program after Exile I turned out to be a commercial success.

Exile I:
  • Tor Gunston '98
  • Carol Hamer '98
  • Rita Cskany '98
  • Aimee
  • J.R.
  • Tom Bohman '96
  • Marco Lenci '99
Exile II:
  • Marie-Cecile Vidican (Rutgers-related connection)
3. Society for Creative Anachronism friends
Source for several noteworthy names in Exile I.
  • Patrick Padraig
  • Hathwisa
  • Bevan
  • Anastasia
4. Television and film
Beginning in Exile II, Jeff has taken sets of NPC names from TV shows and occasionally movies.  Comedy Central receives thanks in many readme's and shows up all over this list, especially early on.

Exile II:
  • Absolutely Fabulous

Eddy Monsoon, Patsy Stone, Saffron Monsoon, Justin, Oliver (Blosk)

  • Saturday Night Live

Gilda Radner, Dan Ackroyd, Lorraine Newman, Jane Curtin (The Castle)

  • 3rd Rock from the Sun

Kristen (Kirsten) Johnson, John Lithgow, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Jane Curtin (The Castle)

  • Felix the Cat

Felix (Patrick's Tower)


Exile III:
  • Kids in the Hall

Dave Foley, Bruce McCulloch, Mark McKinley, Kevin McDonald, Scott Thompson (New Formello)

  • Babylon 5

Ivanova, Londo, G'Kar, Delenn (Golddale)

  • Laverne & Shirley

Laverne, Shirley, Carmine, Lennus (Lenny), Squiggus (Squiggy)

  • Trainspotting

Spud, Renton, Begbie, Sick Boy (Shayder)


Blades of Exile:
  • The Daily Show

Craig Kilborn, Lizz Winstead, A. Whitney Brown, Beth Littleford, Felix Unger (Blinlock)

  • South Park

Eric Cartman (Zaskiva); Kenny added in BoA)

  • Titanic

James Cameron, Leonardo DiCaprio, Kate Winslet


Geneforge:
  • Sports Night

Dan Rydell, Dayna (Dana) Whitaker, Isaac Jaffee (Jaffe), Natley (Natalie) Hurley, Jeremy Godwin (Goodwin), Pixley, Aaron Sorkin (Pentil)


Geneforge 2:
  • Black Books

Manny, Bernard

  • The Office (UK)

Brent, Gareth, Dawn, Finchy (Gheth)

  • The Wire

Kima, Macnulty, Bunk (Loyalist Encampment)


Blades of Avernum:
  • The Daily Show (again)

Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, Steve Carrell, Samantha, Corddry, Helms, Walls (Seleucia)


Geneforge 3:
  • Arrested Development

Michael Bluth, Gob Bluth, Tobias Funke, Maeby Funke (Dhonal's Keep East Docks)


Avernum 4:
  • Lonesome Dove

Pea Eye Parker, Lorena Parker, Woodrow F. Call, Bolivar, Augustus McCrae (Silvar)

  • Horror/suspense film characters

Carrie

Jason Vorhees

Gunderson (innkeeper)


Geneforge 4:
  • Veronica Mars

Veronica Mars, Duncan Kane


Geneforge 5:
  • Mythbusters

Adam Savage, Jamie Hyneman


Avernum 6:
  • Mad Men

Joan Halloway (Holloway), Roger Stirling (Sterling), Freddy Rumson (Rumsen), Peggy Olssson (Olson) (Fort Draco raiders)



5. Girlfriends
Some or all of the provinces (and possibly other locations) in Exile III were named after Jeff's girlfriends.  This was apparently stated by Jeff someplace.  To wit:
  • Mariann Krizsan
  • Monoroe (Shirley Monroe)
  • Sharimik (Shari Moskow?)
  • Karnold (K. Arnold?)
  • Bigail (Abigail?)
  • Shayder (Shaynee Snider?)
  • Footracer (Tracey?)
6. Authors and editors
It's unclear if these were intended as a deliberate tribute, or whether books and other written works were simply a convenient source of names that had just the right ring to them.

Exile II:
  • General authors

Thomas Gibbon, Tom Stoppard, Orson Welles, John Locke


Blades of Exile:
  • Kurt Vonnegut
  • DC Comics Bigwigs, Editors, Artists, and Writers

Paul Levitz, Richard Bruning, Lillian Laserson, Dave McKean, Dorothy Crouch, Bruce Bristow, Axel Alonso (VoDT);

Robbin Brosterman, Lillian Laserson, Joan Hilty, Stephano Gaudiano, Chuck Kim, Ray Houlihan, Michael Zulli (ASR);

Jenette Kahn (both);

Abe Ocampo, Sheldon Mayer, Kimzahn (Timothy Zahn) (ZKR)


Geneforge 3:
  • SF authors

Michael Swanwick, Mike Resnick, Connie Willis


Avernum 4:
  • New York Times writers

Paul Krugman, Joe Conason


Geneforge 4:
  • New York Times writers

Jay Mouawad, Louis Uchitelle, Kate Zernike, Martin Fackler, Michael Barbaro, Kirk Johnson, Rachel Swarns, Ian Urbina, George Vecsey, Lynn Zinser, Sabrina Tavernise, Randal Archibald, Manohla Dargis


Geneforge 5:
  • The Onion A.V. Club writers

Tasha Robinson, Genevieve Koski, Josh Modell

  • The Seattle Stranger contributors

A. Birch Steen, Megan Seling, Brendan Kiley, David Schmader, Charles Mudede, Dan Savage



7. Literary characters
Books became a consistent source for characters, alongside TV and film.

Exile III:
  • Infinite Jest, by David Foster Wallace

The "Unspecified Services" organization name


Blades of Exile:
  • DC Comics, mostly involved in Crisis on Infinite Slarties Earths

Maria [several possible], Penelope Black, Bradley Covington (VoDT);

Stone [family], Smith [several possible], Maya, Caroline Dean, Eric O'Grady, Helena [several possible], Luna Nurblin (ASR);

Vale [several possible], Edward [several possible] (ZKR)


Note: the Crisis event involved a massive number of characters, so name overlaps would be expected; I consider these likely only because they are in the same context as the clearly evidenced list of DC editors in the above category.


Geneforge:
  • Chekhov's plays

Maria "Masha" Kulygina, Vassily Solyony, Nikolaj Tuzenbach, Aleksandr Vershinin, Ferapont (The Three Sisters)


Konstantin Treplev (Treplyov) (The Seagull)


Mikhail Astrov, Aleksandr Serabryakov, Sofya Serabryakov, Ilya Telegin (Uncle Vanya)


Anya, Varya, Leonid Gayev (The Cherry Orchard)


Nikolai Ivanov, Michael Borkin, Avdotya, Gavrila (Ivanov)


Geneforge 3:
  • Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell, by Susanna Clarke

Jonathan Strange, Arabella Strange, Gilbert Norrell, Susanna Clarke

Avernum 4:
  • Wicked

Elphaba

  • Emperor of Ocean Park

Kimmer Madison, Talcott "Misha" Garland, Mariah Garland, Oliver Garland


Geneforge 4:
  • Watchmen

Dave Gibbons, Adrian Veidt, Fred Motz

  • Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle

Jack Shaftoe, Eliza of Qwghlm, Moseh de la Cruz


Avernum 5:
  • The Skin of Our Teeth, by Thornton Wilder

George Antrobus, Lilly Sabina, Maggie Antrobus

  • Kurt Vonnegut's novels

Kilgore Trout, George Pefko, Norman Fuller


Geneforge 5:
  • Bleak House, by Charles Dickens

Harold Skimpole, John Jarndyce, William Guppy, Richard Carstone

  • Hyperion, by Dan Simmons

Lenar Hoyt, Brawne Lamia, Martin Silenus

  • Anathem, by Neal Stephenson

Erasmus (Erasmas), Orolo, Sammann


Avernum 6:
  • Waiting for Godot, by Samuel Beckett

Vladimir, Estragon

  • King Lear, by Shakespeare

Regan, Edgar, Edmund (Almaria)

possibly also Noam and Tardiff, critics who wrote about Lear

  • The Stand, by Stephen King

Nick Andros, William Hapscomb, Stuart Redman, Frannie Goldsmith (Fort Duvno)


Avadon:
  • Les Miserables

Cosette, Eponine, Varoche (Gavroche)



8. Musicians
An occasional but clear presence.  Jeff frequently gives shout-outs to the bands he listens to while programming in his readme's, so it seems possible there are more references we haven't caught.

Exile II:
  • Tori Amos
  • Melissa Ethridge (Etheridge)
Avernum 4:
  • Sleater-Kinney

Corin Tucker, Carrie Brownstein, Janet Weiss, Sleater-Kinney


Avernum 6:
  • Neko, Case (Webbed Woods)
Avernum EFTP:
  • The New Pornographers

Carl Newman, Neko Case, Kurt Dahle, Dan Bejar, Kathryn Calder



9. Comedians
The Exile I entries are questionable, since Jeff did not use very many produced-content sources for names in that game, but they are comedians who seem to fit perfectly with Jeff's sense of humor (as well as the Scorched Earth Party).

Exile I:
  • Bill Maher
  • John Cleese
Avernum 4:
  • Dave Chapelle
  • Redd Fox
  • David Cross
  • Patton Oswalt
  • Sarah Silverman
  • Terry Gilliam
10. EverQuest (and the Chaos Justice guild)
A major name source around the Avernum 4 era.  Jeff gave us a lead on this one.  There are a surprising number of trails for this on the web, despite the timeframe being a decade ago.  Most of these names came from other characters in his guild, or who raided with his guild, though there are a few from raid targets as well.

Geneforge 3:
  • Meraia, Tuona, Muram
  • Barxt (raid target)
Avernum 4:
  • Kabraxaz, Nociduas, Abisynthe, Trysbrina, Lyun, Uggluk, Imiriel, Sinedin, Tuona, Kasaz, Zarbonn, Kragg
  • Keldovan, Hanvar (raid targets)
11. World of Warcraft
Jeff has talked about WoW even more than EverQuest, and mentioned it in more readme's.  Many names, especially in Avernum 4 and beyond, sound like they could easily have come from WoW characters.  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find reliable googleable material the way I was for Chaos Justice, but it's a safe bet that this was a prodigious source for names for a number of games.


12. Nearby locations
Mainly a source in Exile III, which of course required naming more small friendly towns than any other SW game.

Exile III:
  • Golddale (Silverdale), a town Jeff was once associated with
  • Port Townsend
  • Bremerton
  • Poulsbo
  • Colfax
  • Gorst
Geneforge 5:
  • Zoka, a Seattle donut shop (also has a readme callout)
13. Spiderweb affiliates
Hat tips to people who've been there for Spiderweb.

Exile III:
  • Jordan Bojar of Foglio studios
Nethergate:
  • Phil Foglio
Geneforge:
  • Brent Heustess, beta tester
Geneforge 4:
  • Reiner, tileset creator
  • Paul Ellsworth, beta tester
14. Family
The first was stated by Jeff; his immediate family receives frequent use, but he has said sometimes that he just likes the names.

Exile I:
  • Elmer, Jeff's grandfather
Various:
  • Mariann Krizsan, Jeff's radiant wife
  • Cordelia, Jeff's daughter, but also a favourite name of his
  • Miranda, Jeff's daughter, but also a favourite name of his
15. Other friends
Some of these are simple Facebook speculation, but the source of one rather important name, Erika Redmark, was supplied by Jeff.

Exile I:
  • Erika, a high school friend
  • Jennifer Rippel (?)
  • Shaynee Snider (?)
Exile II:
  • Prazac, a high school friend
  • Tina Mancuso (?)
Avernum 4:
  • Lark Griffin (?)
Geneforge 4:
  • Sharon Crowley (?)
16. Miscellaneous
Name sources that don't fit into the above categories, but seem likely due to unusual similarities (Zanthia) or Jeff's background (Sylow, Moon).

Exile I:
  • Sylow, a Norwegian mathematician
  • Zanthia, the alchemist protagonist of The Legend of Kyrandia 2
  • Exile, name of a one-way transport mechanism in Julian May's Saga of Pliocene Exile (cited by Jeff as inspiration; related inspiration from Robert Silverberg's short story "Hawksbill Station")
Exile III:
  • Moon, a town in Ultima 3
  • Malloc and Calloc (towns), C functions
Geneforge 3:
  • Galileo Galilei's family

Maria Celeste, Vincenzio Galilei, Sestilia Bocchineri

  • Alcholic beverages

Sauza tequila, Macallan single malt whiskey, Maker's Mark bourbon, Bailey's Irish cream, Captain Morgan rum, the Aunt Agatha mixed drink


Avernum 6:
  • Djokov and Baghdatis, pro tennis players
Avernum 2 CS:
  • Morrigan, Celtic warrior goddess
  • Venus Castinan, aspect of goddess related to non-male-performing men
17. Names from the news
In the Geneforge and Second Trilogy years, googling a set of names from the same town often turns up a newspaper or magazine of the appropriate era, and it's sometimes one local to Seattle.  It's unlikely that this is always a coincidence, but in many cases the names are so common that it's not really possible to establish a definitive tie, either.


18. Name generators
You may have noticed that the most recent SW release, the Avadon and Avernum Remake series, do not show up on this list very much, even though the Avadon games involve a real slew of new names.  Googling those names doesn't turn up much.  However, googling those names often turns up name generator name lists.  I'd wager Spiderweb is using a relatively nice name generator, and probably one that generates names of particular linguistic backgrounds, as we've seen a few clusters of names that closely resemble common Slavic names, to take one example.


This document is not complete -- it is a work in progress, and we'd love your help in continuing to expand it!  If you have any ideas or see names that look familiar, please feel free to post in this thread.  Some other names we are currently suspicious of, but don't feel confident enough about to include in the main list, are below.


OTHER CHARACTERS WE EYE SUSPICIOUSLY
Linda (Linda Strout?  no -- most likely predates her)
Strout (G1 Servile, A4 Fort Monastery resident -- Linda Strout? -- unclear)
Micah
Bernie ("the Chart")
Mairwen
Karzoth
Skunky Joe
Etunimdiam (G4 gazer) -- sounds like "et unum diem", Latin for "and a day" -- has an xbox live account listed under Seattle, WA
Skarp (A5 Exodus) -- Seattle WA band.
Forbes, Chelsea, Aboro, Welde, Madeleine (ASR Willow) -- all figures in (mostly political) news in late 1996
Elinor, Klivans, Haedrich (ASR Selathni) -- cookbook authors; Vonnegut in same town
Commander Wallace and Craftmaster Pynchon in Zhethron's Keep (Av3) -- see thread
Potential Slithzerikai inspiration in the Sleeth of Gamma World (tabletop RPG)
SIMS (F. Paul Wilson novel) as potential inspiration for Serviles
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:49 AM #2 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

In Golddale in X3, there are characters named after Babylon 5. Specifically Londo, G'Kar, Ivanova, and Delenn.

Also in X3 are the towns of Malloc and Calloc, which are C++ terms.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:52 AM #3 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Tyranicus said:

Also in X3 are the towns of Malloc and Calloc, which are C++ terms.
Heh... that's funny.
Though I'd call them C terms, not C++. In C++ you have new, which is better.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:57 AM #4 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Slartucker said:

[X1-6] Solberg = Andrew Solberg, usenet poster & E1 beta tester
That was a real name? Hehe... there have been several (non-real) Solbergs on Spiderweb since, and one of them is tied to a pretty infamous plagiarism incident back in the day.

By the way, the Foglios have two characters in their famous Steampunk fantasy Girl Genius named "General Krizsan" and "Professor Vogel", and I wouldn't be surprised if that's on purpose too. But this list is for cameos in Spiderweb games, not the Vogels appearing in other cameos.

I think there were more Krizsan references in the series than those two - IIRC there was a well-off/military/aristocratic family who were both the namesake of the province and the family of the exiled Krizsan.

Also, http://pied-piper.er.../2018/p5#000114 :

Alorael said:

On the subject of ex-wives, all the provinces of Valorim are supposed to be named after women with whom Jeff was involved. Mariann Krizsan is his wife and Gale is Shirley once and current surname.

—Alorael, who isn't so sure about Footracer. Maybe Jeff had a brief fling with fitness once before coming to his senses?


Slartucker said:

[X3] Malloc & Calloc (towns) = C functions
Giving me meme reversal: Now whenever I read about the C functions, I think of the towns.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 07:01 AM #5 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

And as I said in the game forum thread that inspired this, Trainspotting was cameo'd in one of the towns of A3.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 07:04 AM #6 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Not Gale, Monroe.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 08:49 AM #7 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

True:

http://www.spidweb.c...mezonechat.html

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The voice of the spiders? Me and my ex-wife, Shirley Monroe. The monster getting hit sounds in Exiles I-II was her too. The "Mmmmmm" sound in Exile III (when you get food) is me. Mmmmmmm. No helium. It's a natural skill.

Note that Gale is not a province, but a town in Monroe. A slip.

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I'm not even sure about Karnold, Midori, Footracer and Bigail. For the most famous cameo series in Exile 3, two out of six is a poor statistic. Did Jeff ever claim this theme himself, or was it simply inferred from the two known references?

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 08:51 AM #8 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

I thought the town with the trainspotting references was called Wainscotting.

Also, in ASR, Kenny, Cartman, and Stan (from South Park) appear as characters in the town with the palace. I'm sure there's other such references in BoX scenarios as well.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 09:13 AM #9 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Port Townsend is a real city in X3 and Washington state.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 09:43 AM #10 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Arancaytar said:

I think there were more Krizsan references in the series than those two
IIRC there was a well-off/military/aristocratic family who were both the namesake of the province and the family of the exiled Krizsan.
General Gabor Krizsan is the one who named the province.

Arancaytar said:

I'm not even sure about Karnold, Midori, Footracer and Bigail. For the most famous cameo series in Exile 3, two out of six is a poor statistic. Did Jeff ever claim this theme himself, or was it simply inferred from the two known references?
Well, Midori and Footracer are names that get reused, which is suspicious. Midori is a lich in X2 and someone named Footracer appears in G5.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 10:14 AM #11 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Monoroe is fairly obvious after Krizsan.  I suspect that somebody noticed those two, posted about them which specifying "two", and then somebody else leapt to the conclusion that it applied to all six and posted it.

I mean, "Bigail"?  That's a crappy name.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 10:20 AM #12 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Abigail, parhaps.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 11:12 AM #13 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Originally Posted By: Slarty
Monoroe is fairly obvious after Krizsan.  I suspect that somebody noticed those two, posted about them which specifying "two", and then somebody else leapt to the conclusion that it applied to all six and posted it.


And once posted, such things become known facts and are repeated for ever and ever, occasionally garbled along the way.

I'm liable to do that myself - for example, I nearly pointed to another post as support for "Midori" being such a cameo, before actually reading the link.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 11:14 AM #14 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba
General Gabor Krizsan is the one who named the province.


So he is. I should read my own wiki more often. wink

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 12:25 PM #15 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Found another one: Strout in G1. If I recall correctly, she's a rich immigrant from Pentil, found in Vakkiri, who sells you a canister.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 12:44 PM #16 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Didn't we end up discovering that Bjorn, the guy who built the Halls of Chaos in Avernum 2, was the name of a guy who made some music for one of Jeff's games?
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 01:33 PM #17 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Bjorn Lynne's earliest SW credit is G4, which was released 11 years after the Halls of Chaos were created.  So this seems unlikely.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 01:36 PM #18 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

How come no one has said DV from G5? tongue

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 01:59 PM #19 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 02:10 PM #20 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Originally Posted By: Slarty
Bjorn Lynne's earliest SW credit is G4, which was released 11 years after the Halls of Chaos were created.  So this seems unlikely.
Huh, what a funny coincidence.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 02:17 PM #21 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Given the rather massive list of names that have appeared in SW games, it doesn't seem very unlikely at all.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 02:33 PM #22 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Sure, but come on... Bjorn?  I still think it's funny.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 03:16 PM #23 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Bjorn isn't an uncommon name. I don't see what's so funny about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorn for examples.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 03:24 PM #24 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Well, I'm not from Scandinavia or Iceland (where just about all your examples are from), and neither is Jeff.  Bjorn is most definitely an uncommon where we're from, though I can't speak for you, I suppose.  It's also a funny name, probably since a 'b' followed by a 'j' is so uncommon in the English language.  Though now that you've made me analyze it, it's not funny anymore. frown
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 04:25 PM #25 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

I'm born and raised in Massachusetts, though. I believe the J is pronounced sort of like the Y in "yes", but I could be wrong.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 04:35 PM #26 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

I know that much, at least, being a fan of Bjork.  Is Bjorn a common name in Massachusetts? tongue
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 05:03 PM #27 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

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I'm born and raised in Massachusetts, though. I believe the J is pronounced sort of like the Y in "yes", but I could be wrong.

No, it is pronounced like a y, but this does not apply for all Massachusetts names, "Jonathan" is not pronounced "Yonathan".

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 05:11 PM #28 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

I know that. I meant in the name "Bjorn" specifically, hence "the J" and not "J" or "the letter J". tongue

Edit: In Spanish, J is pronounced like an H. Try saying Bjorn like that. It's not easy.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 05:33 PM #29 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

Shaftoe, Eliza and Moseh are characters from a book by Neal Stephenson, but I don't know what.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:20 PM #30 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

I remember hearing somewhere that G3 there name cameos of Arrested Development characters in the east port town on Dhonal's Isle.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:38 PM #31 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

I don't believe there's a Kyle in Zaskiva. I could be wrong.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:51 PM #32 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 07:28 PM #33 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

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Shaftoe, Eliza and Moseh are characters from a book by Neal Stephenson, but I don't know what.
Moseh is in The Confusion and The System of the World, and Jack Shaftoe and Eliza in those and the preceding Quicksilver as well. There are at least six other characters with the surname Shaftoe and a speaking role in the Baroque Cycle books or in Cryptonomicon, but I think the reference is to Jack.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 09:01 PM #34 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

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Port Townsend is a real city in X3 and Washington state.

It's not the only one: Bremerton, Poulsbo, Colfax, and Gorst are Washington cities as well.

Wait, Gorst and Colfax are in A3, right?  I can't really remember.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 09:05 PM #35 Name Cameos in Jeff's Games

I need to get out the hintbooks, but Jeff said JR in X1 in Fort Dunvo was named after the Dallas character and listed sources from a few other TV shows.
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