Garrulous Glaahk Amira The Hot Potato Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I was a backer but still played the demo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 hours ago, TriRodent said: Re the demo: Also one thing to consider is that the demo downloads probably aren't from the Kickstarter backers as they'll be getting the full game next month. Some certainly, but I wouldn't imagine that it is a high percentage. Hopefully they turn into a decent number of sales for SW. If Jeff says that 2000 demo downloads are very promising, then ... I find it optimistic. I just hope the games sell well. I find it puzzling that such nice indie games are not doing better, even in a sea of other games. I will not fall into a trap and say "These games are in the top 5% so they should be making as much as the top 5% of indie games make!!!1111" but I will say "those games are in the top for a good cut of gamers that are simply not aware how much they would like these games." What I mean is that while these games are probably not everyone's cup of tea, for the niche they are aimed at, they are extremely good. And I don't think they capture enough of the people that would really love them. And I believe that is a problem with tons of games. ultra112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ultra112 Posted February 24 Author Share Posted February 24 (edited) On 2/9/2024 at 8:49 PM, Dry Peak, Soggy Bottom said: I was really irritated by that retcon -- it's a big shift even if on a minor point, and Thrackerzod in general seems very incongruent with the game world. (It's also just weird that the serviles freak out so much about both the PC and Goettsch, but have zero interest in Thrackerzod's crew of multiple shapers at all.) Either it was a kickstarter backer insertion that was poorly vetted, or it was a moment of Avernum 4 syndrome. Tbh I did thought about this as I had not been able to back the create-a-quest tier reward. But if I could, I probably would have the shaper taking a quest from a spirit of a priest/chieftain to hunt down elemental spirits that were summoned out of desperation by a tribe that the proto-shapers went to war with; while they succeed in repelling the proto-shapers; but they lost control of them and eventually had to make great sacrifices to seal them off, while they were in no condition at the time to properly dispose of them. perhaps the spirit can be placed in the stone circle center tomb and will only appear after you defeated the specters surrounding the tomb Edited February 25 by ultra112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 On 2/9/2024 at 2:49 PM, Dry Peak, Soggy Bottom said: It's also just weird that the serviles freak out so much about both the PC and Goettsch, but have zero interest in Thrackerzod's crew of multiple shapers at all. The impression I had as I was still grieving my creations killed by Pylons was that the majority of Serviles were not aware of those Shapers and Thra- and co learned what they did from the Sholai. I.e. I am more annoyed that those Shapers knew what was going on in Sucia or that they broke the rules and showed up, than that the Serviles didn't react to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 New Facebook post shows a nice dungeon. The game's aesthetics have improved a lot. That said, the dungeon reminds me of the Radiant college, but I can't pin it down. Honestly, it makes me think of GF1, so I can't figure out which dungeon that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Phariton's Hall ultra112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 29 minutes ago, Randomizer said: Phariton's Hall OMG! ! ! But it said that guy could be an ally! Phariton is... at best, at best an unreliable not-enemy that gives you stuff. The man is more bonkers than the Barzites. ultra112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 9 hours ago, alhoon said: The impression I had as I was still grieving my creations killed by Pylons was that the majority of Serviles were not aware of those Shapers and Thra- and co learned what they did from the Sholai. This was discussed on a previous page; this is theoretically possible, but has some plausibility issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug RedBeard Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) So I played the demo, but I didnt get any message that you have completed the demo and continue in the main game etc? https://i.ibb.co/BcfZhxb/demo.png This many areas i cleared and you have to report to Shanti what you have investigated, i had two things to report Spoiler 1. Mutant I destroyed which was created the rogue 2. Spy But that was it, On the western Mine, farmer told me that he had seen Shanti going into Abyss and will also take me there but Shanti is at my quarters saying go explore? Where is the demo ending message or how to get it guys @Jeff @Dry Peak, Soggy Bottom @Amira The Hot Potato help please? Edited February 26 by RedBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Amira The Hot Potato Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 7 hours ago, RedBeard said: So I played the demo, but I didnt get any message that you have completed the demo and continue in the main game etc? https://i.ibb.co/BcfZhxb/demo.png This many areas i cleared and you have to report to Shanti what you have investigated, i had two things to report Reveal hidden contents 1. Mutant I destryed which was created the rogue 2. Spy But that was it, On the western Mine, farmer told me that he had seen Shanti going into Abyss and will also take me there but Shanti is at my quarters saying go explore? Where is the demo ending message or how to get it guys @Jeff @Hatchling Cockatrice @Amira The Hot Potato help please? I don't think you're supposed to get a message? at least I didn't. Well Shanti is there I guess just in case you need to tell her something but once you're heading to the secret tunnel she's not "there" RedBeard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug RedBeard Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 9 hours ago, Amira The Hot Potato said: I don't think you're supposed to get a message? at least I didn't. Well Shanti is there I guess just in case you need to tell her something but once you're heading to the secret tunnel she's not "there" wAIT WHAT SECRET TUNNEL? I dint find one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Amira The Hot Potato Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 32 minutes ago, RedBeard said: wAIT WHAT SECRET TUNNEL? I dint find one You can't get to it in the demo RedBeard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug RedBeard Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 10 minutes ago, Amira The Hot Potato said: You can't get to it in the demo WTF? you have access to non demo full game? THATS SO NOT FAIR... just kidding.... cant wait for 27th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Secret Tunnel is in the original game. The remake only has additions of Sage Markov and Shaper Zensital in Drypeak Warrens and the the little bits of extra levels in Drypeak and Wrarens. Otherwise all other changes are to game mechanics like adding Weapon Shaping, weapons have to hit bonuses, and you can now steal a really great sword. RedBeard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ultra112 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 So apparently I asked Jeff about the idea of making a game with Huestess' people and here's what he said https://sta.sh/0turs9610ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 You should have seen Jeff's reaction to adding a Sholai faction to Geneforge 5. It was similar with an emphasis on not wanting to write anymore. ultra112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Hahaha, so many shades of "I can't imagine remaking the Tower of Magi one more time." And yet... ultra112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ultra112 Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 Ok so Jeff just compared a Drakon to a rocket launcher https://sta.sh/082cskehzoh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 13 hours ago, ultra112 said: Ok so Jeff just compared a Drakon to a rocket launcher https://sta.sh/082cskehzoh There is exceptionally little context in that screenshot, including any reference to drakons or rocket launchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Amira The Hot Potato Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 54 minutes ago, alhoon said: There is exceptionally little context in that screenshot, including any reference to drakons or rocket launchers. I think this might help: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2480560/discussions/0/6407003171824343727/ ultra112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ultra112 Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 3 hours ago, alhoon said: There is exceptionally little context in that screenshot, including any reference to drakons or rocket launchers. oh crap sorry about that I got the wrong pic, here's the right one https://sta.sh/02emvkhs6out alhoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ultra112 Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 I wonder if there will be plans for kickstarter creations getting variants in the G3 remake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 hours ago, ultra112 said: I wonder if there will be plans for kickstarter creations getting variants in the G3 remake? What do you mean? Creations already have variants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ultra112 Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 I'm talking about the kickstarter ones like the cockatrice and the stalkthorn alhoon and Amira The Hot Potato 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 weeks now, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ultra112 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 I wonder if the War trall in the remake will look something like this? BMA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, ultra112 said: I wonder if the War trall in the remake will look something like this? Please don't post the same exact thing in multiple topics. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ultra112 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 Yeah cause the other one at the wrong post and I couldn't delete it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 That's understandable, but you may notice it's the same people responding to most of these topics, so you're really just making anyone who follows the forum read it twice. Speaking as a mod: please don't do this in the future. Thanks. ultra112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ultra112 Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 Ok so I ask Jeff about the story element changes for the G3 remake and here is his answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Amira The Hot Potato Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, ultra112 said: Ok so I ask Jeff about the story element changes for the G3 remake and here is his answer well with the changes to the remakes that's kind of expected ultra112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Let's hope the rebels will get some love... GF3 is the only game that I wanted to stay with the Shapers, evil and oppressive as they are, because somehow, the Rebels were quite worse. And they kill all my friends and bully me in the opening. Amira The Hot Potato 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mechalibur Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Or at least a way to kill Litalia even if you join the rebels. Like how you can kill Stannis even if you join the Barzites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mechalibur said: Or at least a way to kill Litalia even if you join the rebels. Like how you can kill Stannis even if you join the Barzites. I strongly disagree. Killing Litalia for the rebels and Lord something for the shapers should NOT be possible. Or killing Kyrik for the hopefully-new Trakovite ending. Edited March 23 by alhoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Khyryk is the one who becomes a Trakovite, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Dry Peak, Soggy Bottom said: Khyryk is the one who becomes a Trakovite, though... yes. Allow me to clarify my position: You want the Rebel ending? DO NOT kill Litalia! (Or Akhari Blaze) You want the Shaper Ending? DO NOT kill Rhaul. You want the Trakovite Ending? DO NOT kill Khyryk. "but alhoon, there's no Trakovite ending..." My answer is "I hope there will be one! But to get it, you should absolutely not kill Khyryk." Edited March 23 by alhoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mechalibur Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I dunno, I think it makes a lot of sense to kill her, and the player certainly has a vested interest - it's not like she's leading the Rebels. You said loyalists shouldn't be able to kill Rahul, but the Rebel equivalent of that is Akari Blaze, right? Not Litalia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 28 minutes ago, Mechalibur said: I dunno, I think it makes a lot of sense to kill her, and the player certainly has a vested interest - it's not like she's leading the Rebels. You said loyalists shouldn't be able to kill Rahul, but the Rebel equivalent of that is Akari Blaze, right? Not Litalia. Indeed but Litalia is #2 in Geneforge 4. Amira The Hot Potato 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug RedBeard Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 This all insider talk of already knowing the story and having access to full game before release so much so that you guys have started discussing endings is making me so jealous. so so not fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mechalibur Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Well it's a remake. People have known the general endings for about 20 years now. Amira The Hot Potato and RedBeard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 The Geneforge 1 remake only added a few new sections to the endings about the added Sholai and other Shapers that landed on east coast. So don't expect much to change this time. Now in the later games there might be greater changes depending upon what Jeff wants to include from these remakes. I'm holding out for the Sholai to be a faction in Geneforge 5 - Hostile Takeover. Ircher, RedBeard and ultra112 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 On 3/23/2024 at 10:42 AM, alhoon said: Let's hope the rebels will get some love... GF3 is the only game that I wanted to stay with the Shapers, evil and oppressive as they are, because somehow, the Rebels were quite worse. And they kill all my friends and bully me in the opening. I'm usually Awakened/Rebel – and I clearly don't remember GF3 well because it's been years since I played last – but I didn't mind them in that game? Maybe I just preferred Greta to Alwan and let that make my decision for me 😅. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Going Rebel 100% forces you to kill Khyryk in order to progress to the final island. I think this really epitomizes the problem. In a game that deliberately forces you to choose between terrible extremes, Khyryk is the lone sympathetic bastion of even-handed reason -- and the Rebel path forces you to kill him, but the Shaper path doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 10 hours ago, nikki. said: I'm usually Awakened/Rebel – and I clearly don't remember GF3 well because it's been years since I played last – but I didn't mind them in that game? Maybe I just preferred Greta to Alwan and let that make my decision for me 😅. The rebels start by killing out your friends and fellow students. Then, they spread monsters to weaken the people's resolve and trust in the Shapers. In the 2nd island, they succeed. And what do they do with the guys that sit in the mud and say "the Shapers didn't protect us from the monsters that ate our family and friends!" ? They make a guy with anger issues the boss and tell them "We will keep sending monsters after you to eat your friends and families. But, we will give you the power to fight back against the monsters we will keep sending against you." It makes sense from the Rebel point of view to create people that cannot under any circumstances go back to the Shapers and also give them "practice" in fighting what is practically respawning monsters to fight the Shapers. It is ruthless though. 5 hours ago, Dry Peak, Soggy Bottom said: Going Rebel 100% forces you to kill Khyryk in order to progress to the final island. I think this really epitomizes the problem. In a game that deliberately forces you to choose between terrible extremes, Khyryk is the lone sympathetic bastion of even-handed reason -- and the Rebel path forces you to kill him, but the Shaper path doesn't. Killing moderates is understandable, though. It happens in all civil wars: the middle people are killed first. Especially since the Takers are in control, they do not want "Reasonable" people around. They want extremism from both sides. We have seen that in recent historical examples. During Arab Spring, extremists would first target the moderates and then they would go after their declared enemies. @nikki. I am also usually pro-Awakened but I do have a bit of Taker streak in me. From my point of view... sad as it is, Khyryk has to die. I am not proud about it but it is better for the Rebellion, even for an Awakened-typed one, for Khyryk to die and the Rebels to have control. Edited March 25 by alhoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, alhoon said: Killing moderates is understandable, though. It happens in all civil wars: the middle people are killed first. The point is though that the Rebels force you to do this, but the Shapers do not, which is one of the things that makes the Rebels harder for the player to digest. I see your point on strategy, however, considering how incredibly un-strategic most of the Rebel goals in G3 are -- mostly just a lot of spreading destruction for its own sake -- putting myself in the PC's shoes, it's hard to take that too seriously. 3 hours ago, alhoon said: it is better for the Rebellion, even for an Awakened-typed one, for Khyryk to die I don't see how it would be better for the Awakened. Khyryk is closer to them ideologically than he is to the loyalists. If the Rebels did not exist, Khyryk expressing his views would only increase support for the Awakened -- it wouldn't make it seem like they were extreme and crazy. alhoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Dry Peak, Soggy Bottom said: The point is though that the Rebels force you to do this, but the Shapers do not, which is one of the things that makes the Rebels harder for the player to digest. I see your point on strategy, however, considering how incredibly un-strategic most of the Rebel goals in G3 are -- mostly just a lot of spreading destruction for its own sake -- putting myself in the PC's shoes, it's hard to take that too seriously. On that, we agree. They burn down the house. And while at it, kill moderates... except the PC. You could have sabotaged the Rebels in the first two islands, in fact you do, and it is the 3rd island that makes the switch. 27 minutes ago, Dry Peak, Soggy Bottom said: I don't see how it would be better for the Awakened. Khyryk is closer to them ideologically than he is to the loyalists. If the Rebels did not exist, Khyryk expressing his views would only increase support for the Awakened -- it wouldn't make it seem like they were extreme and crazy. They were extreme and crazy though. They are the Takers. Yes, if the Awakened walked out of that mountain as victors, Khyryk would be the person they would like to speak with. But as being the remnants folded in a faction that relies on building extremism? You don't want Khyryk on the other side any more than you want Astoria or Learned Pinner. Such things are the crux of the matter in Geneforge 2. The Takers will explain that again and again. Perhaps I didn't put it very well in my post. However, in an Awakened-type victory, Khyryk is sympathetic and would cause people to say "We have enough, let's sit and discuss" instead of overthrowing the Shapers... which I see it now, I see it now, was not the goal of the Awakened. Their goal was to co-exist, not overthrow the Shapers. I admit I am something between a moderate Taker and radical Awakened. I want the Shapers to fall. Or at the very least drastically change. Still, in my pro-awakened mind, I would not be comfortable with someone like Khyrik there unless the Ashen Islands were under control of the Rebellion. Allow the Shaper remnants to go to Khyrik. But would that even be possible? The Shapers would not accept it. They do not force the player to kill Khyrik... in the version that they win. If a bunch of angry Shapers were sent in exile to someone under Khyrik, they will call him a traitor like they did with Astoria and try to kill him again and again. Edited March 25 by alhoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 alhoon, I was responding to your theoretical about "an Awakened-type Rebellion" so yes, "if the Awakened walked out of that mountain as victors" is exactly what was being discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dry Peak, Soggy Bottom said: alhoon, I was responding to your theoretical about "an Awakened-type Rebellion" so yes, "if the Awakened walked out of that mountain as victors" is exactly what was being discussed. Yes and I explained that when I said that, I had in mind overthrowing the Shapers but not complete eradication, not co-existence. And co-existence is the Awakened goal. So with that in mind you are correct. Edited March 25 by alhoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ultra112 Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 One more day left till release Amira The Hot Potato and alhoon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, ultra112 said: One more day left till release Time for me to finish the Demo!!! I trust you guys that I will be able to use my saves on the full game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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