Curious Artila homer Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Right now the Geneforge series, Avernum 1-6, and Avadon 1-2 are on GOG. Avernum: Escape from the Pit and Nethergate aren't. Is there a reason for this? Will future Spiderweb games be available there? SurraAgob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 yes. when they'll be available only gog knows. Vexivero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt mikeprichard Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Earth Empires - I emailed Jeff about this a couple months back, and he explained that GOG simply isn't interested in A:EFTP since they already have A1-6. Of course, that doesn't make sense (A:EFTP is really an entirely different game to, and not just a remake of, A1), but that's apparently their position. And by this GOG "logic," it's not likely the remake of A2 (which is coming out at the end of the year - awesome) will be on there either. So what information do you have that indicates they've changed their mind? Or is this just wishful thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I assume that Earth Empires is, as often, speaking out of ignorance but as if based on fact. Sudanna, adc., Tyranicus and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Rya.Reisender Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 It's normal GoG policy to only offer originals of games and never remakes. The 'o' in GoG stands for "old" after all. (That's why for example they also don't have Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition. Apart from the fact that nobody wants it anyway.) Of course for Avernum it's kind of strange because it is quite a bit more than a remake. I guess Jeff didn't communicate it like that to them, though. You can always open a GoG petition on the wishlist for the game. If there are enough people that want it, there is a chance that they reconsider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt mikeprichard Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Good point, Rya.Reisender, but with D:OS, The Witcher 3 (of course...), and other games that are definitely not "old" available on GOG, I still question their reasoning. Also, others have already been requesting A:EFTP, Nethergate, and Nethergate:Resurrection on their forums. Anyone who wants to see them on GOG should at least put in a vote: http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/avernum_escape_from_the_pit http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/avernum_escape_from_the_pit_2 http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/avernumescape_from_the_pit_and_episodes_16 http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/nethergate http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/nethergate_resurrection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila homer Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 GOG has been moving away from the "Good Old Games"-only thing. They have a lot of recent games like the Avadon games, Kingdom Rush, Gone Home, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Rya.Reisender Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 My point was more that they won't release remakes if they can have the original. The Witcher 3 and Divinity: Original Sin are not remakes of a previous game but a brand new game. Yes, GoG does release new games as well. It seems that their requirement for new games is that they are somewhat between the RPG and Point & Click Adventure genres (for example Freedom Planet is not on there as a pure platformer, platformers with RPG elements are however). Though the real irony here is that Avernum 1-6 are also remakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I answered to future games part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt mikeprichard Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 "Though the real irony here is that Avernum 1-6 are also remakes." Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk adc. Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 GOG has been moving away from the "Good Old Games"-only thing. They have a lot of recent games like the Avadon games, Kingdom Rush, Gone Home, etc. Well, maybe the "Good Old Games" they could find were limited, so they kinda started adding up some recent successful sequels of the original old games. One such example is The Witcher 2. I mean, how in the world could you call such game as "old" when I can't even get 15 above fps in 1024 x 600 in the lowest possible tweaked settings. BMA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt mikeprichard Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 It's not surprising the Witcher series is on there at least... the Witcher devs run the GOG site. adc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 "Though the real irony here is that Avernum 1-6 are also remakes." Exactly. Not exactly. A1 to 3 are remakes of the Exile trilogy, yes. A4 to 6 are original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt mikeprichard Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 True Jerakeen, but that's kind of moot, as they still sell remakes (three, not six - but eh). Of course someone could further nitpick and say A1-6 are being sold as a bundle that includes 3 new games (4-6) and 3 remakes (1-3), so GOG didn't have a choice, but I remain thoroughly unconvinced of the logic behind refusing to sell A:EFTP. As for not carrying Nethergate, that simply doesn't make any sense at all, at least from this perspective - it's not even a remake. Hopefully one of these days (years?), they'll come to their senses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 There is indeed no excuse for not carrying Nethergate. It is good; it is old; it is a game. Tyranicus and Tridon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 There is indeed no excuse for not carrying Nethergate. It is good; it is old; it is a game. it also sold about five copies so it's possible that jeff has just decided that it's not worth the effort of whatever steps are required to get it up on there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 it also sold about five copies so it's possible that jeff has just decided that it's not worth the effort of whatever steps are required to get it up on there I think Tyran bought more than 5 copies. Tridon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Wasn't it also only sold on CDs or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 The original was CD only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk adc. Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I think Tyran bought more than 5 copies. See? You can't be too sure if you only have one copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Not exactly. A1 to 3 are remakes of the Exile trilogy, yes. A4 to 6 are original. and A4 was A3 w/o surface visits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 and A4 was A3 w/o surface visits. Huh? I mean... huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Huh? I mean... huh? I think he's making a joke that A4 is a remake of A3 because the plots of both are about stopping the same person from doing bad things, except one is set on the surface and the other isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 what lilith said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Rya.Reisender Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Update! Escape From The Pit is now available on GoG. http://www.gog.com/news/release_bavernum_escape_from_the_pitb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Valdain the King Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Its good to see that this happened for gog. This means that Crystal Souls will likely be released there soon because well, they sort of have to now. That just goes to show that some of the people on gog were wrong saying they won't ever release it on there they already have orig. The only thing is just how much sales does jeff get when 1 game goes on gog. Its good for him yes, but will it necessarily boost his revenue, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Mike B. Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well, I just bought a second copy to support the game being on gog. -Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt mikeprichard Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 When Jeff recently mentioned in his newsletter that the upcoming A2 remake would be sold on GOG, I emailed him to ask whether the A1 remake would finally be offered there as well, and he indicated talks were in the works. So I'm not surprised (but very pleased) that it's finally happened. Avernum and Geneforge were exactly the kinds of games GOG was made for, IMO; nice to see they've all finally made it. Now if he could just get them to carry Nethergate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Forget it Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Update! Escape From The Pit is now available on GoG. http://www.gog.com/n...e_from_the_pitb Great. I have all the Spiderweb games available on both Steam and GoG. And some real old discs of Exile III (my gateway drug) and Nethergate. Now I'll be buying Escape from the Pit from GoG as well. This is the only company I do this for. A little disappointed to see Avadon 2 popping up lately in things like, Humble $1 Tier, Groupees Bonus Game, etc. I'm not "mad" that others got the game cheaper than I did or anything. I may have even bought a few humbles so I could make some friends (who otherwise wouldn't have bought it) try Avadon. But I feel it devalues the games (in public opinion) beyond a point that they deserve. Here's hoping that Jeff still has success at the new pricing levels he's aiming for, and Crystal Souls, Avadon 3, and Ruined World get more staying power in their pricing structures. I'm not a regular on this forum. I've just been popping in lately because I'm anticipating the release of Crystal Souls so much so I stop by now and again to look for info. That said, it's too bad Crystal Souls got delayed. I'd rather have a finished game than a rushed one for sure. But I was going to buy it and play it over my Christmas break. Now I won't have time to play it until the summer so I'm tempted just to wait for a sale. Faculty are probably not his target audience, though, so it's all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 A little disappointed to see Avadon 2 popping up lately in things like, Humble $1 Tier, Groupees Bonus Game, etc. I'm not "mad" that others got the game cheaper than I did or anything. I may have even bought a few humbles so I could make some friends (who otherwise wouldn't have bought it) try Avadon. But I feel it devalues the games (in public opinion) beyond a point that they deserve. Here's hoping that Jeff still has success at the new pricing levels he's aiming for, and Crystal Souls, Avadon 3, and Ruined World get more staying power in their pricing structures. Jeff's actually written a blog post about his pricing strategy. (Well, he's written several, but that's the most recent.) From the sound of it, heavily discounted bundles like that start happening when the game isn't selling a significant number of copies any more even when on sale at a 50% or 75% discount, which is usually a year or so after release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Forget it Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Jeff's actually written a blog post about his pricing strategy. (Well, he's written several, but that's the most recent.) From the sound of it, heavily discounted bundles like that start happening when the game isn't selling a significant number of copies any more even when on sale at a 50% or 75% discount, which is usually a year or so after release. That makes sense. I remembered reading something by him about residual sales of old content library being a pretty nice thing, but I guess it would be more like a trickle than a waterfall. What I think I'm going to do is buy the game on Steam right when it releases, to help out on the visibility factor. Just a shame that I won't have time to really play until June. I'll eventually buy it on GoG too but not until GoG have a "sale" or a "spiderweb bundle" that lets me get it there for at least half off. (I won't feel bad claiming a big GoG discount if I've already paid up on Steam, right?) I honestly prefer GoG to Steam, but having Crystal Souls in my GoG library first won't get Jeff any visibility, and I want Ruined World to be top notch. Had Jeff said anything about implementing Steam trading cards? They're a stupid thing if you ask me, but tons of people have old Spiderweb content in their steam libraries. It couldn't take more than a couple days apiece to craft a set of cards for each geneforge, nethergate, avernums 4-6. That would be a hell of a lot of residual pennies from the card sale market, and maybe make bundling old titles a little (or lot) less sad to do. He might (or might not?) want one of his artists to do better-quality cards on his newer games though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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