A less presumptuous name.

I've been planning on going and replaying all of my old Geneforge Games. However, I'm not sure how to patch them to the latest version. The Support page of spiderwebsoftware.com says to download it from the main page. Do I just redownload the game and delete the old one or what?

True, but at that point, it's the lesser of 1, 2, 3-4-5 or so evils, and I personally find that the Shapers start closer to the ideal and are more (albeit not much at all, but more) likely to reach it.

These old debates... well, here we go: I personally side with the Shapers. No, they're not perfect; far from it, but the rebels are, as Alorael said, a catch all group of people who want to oust the Shapers. Also, for those who say that Shaping does more bad than good, I invite you to play geneforge 2. While the shaping that takes place is illegal, it manages to beautify an otherwise inhospitable landscape. Sure the Shapers are oppressive in a dire need of reform, but they also have experience with governing. The drakons, on the other hand, govern by strength and cunning, not political issues. In short, the Shapers know what they are doing and, with a good bit of reform, could lead the known world into another thousand years of golden age.

Unfortunately, there is a truly never ending stream of Oasis (?) Guards who will attack you, so don't worry about them too much.

Storm plains. Fewest rogues for an area of fighting. (All hail hi- I mean Alwan..!)

I actually do like Alorael's explanations (both). It does seem that you're creations are temporary, seeing as how many permanent creations are created either via shaping platforms or vats. And who wants to argue with an enraged drakon?

In what I believe is the Dera South Shore, there is a bunker along the southern coast which leads to the area.

Originally Posted By: Thuryl Prototheria, metatheria and eutheria are basically terms for monotremes, marsupials and eutherian ("placental") mammals respectively. There's technically a distinction between the two sets of terms, but it's only important if you're a palaeontologist or an evolutionary biologist. Ahh yes, I think I may have read those. Anyway... Although I've never put in the time to get there myself, I love the meeting of the ghost thing in the original game where you learn all about shaping and whatnot.

Originally Posted By: Irving Washington theria/prototheria diverged I'm still a bit of a bio novice, only in my first year in bio, albeit AP and my prof being a former genetics councilor, but: I've never heard this nomenclature. Clarification?

Originally Posted By: ResFury —Alorael, who supposes a few readers may have unusual numbers of chromosomes. Usually that's a bad thing. Trisomy in sex chromosomes is often fine. Quite fine so long as you don't intend to have children or join a beauty pageant.

Very true. I took the keep one part at a time. It was quite annoying, since benhold kept reappearing. The only way around this is to use the healmenow and rechargeme cheats (which I did a few times). The benefit of this is that you can clear out benhold's area before he get's there, making the fight painfully easy.

Just look behind all of the pillars with your mouse and you'll find it.

Yes. I had to have help with this one too. It can be found by clicking a sequence of hidden levers found in areas that don't show up on the map until the proceeding lever is pulled. The first one: Click to reveal.. look behind pillars on the island with the eyebeast

In this game, it must be the tralls. No one can match their physical damage or their resists. However, last game it was probably the Kyshakks or wingbolts. Probably wingbolts, as Kyshakks (I think) didn't get their lingering attack until this game.

For one, you can end up stuck in zones that you're not supposed to be in. Generally, exitzone takes you to a specific exit in the zone. If you somehow enter a zone that you don't have access to otherwise, you may spoil a quest/get stuck, breaking the game.

Originally Posted By: Spddin Oh yeah, they didn't destroy drypeak(i don't think). But they killed Zachary. I know they didn't destroy the drakon lair, because they would've found ghaldrin if they had. Actually, I remember at some point talking to Ghaldring, probably in GF4, where he says he remained hidden in some super secret chamber as the Shapers destroyed everything nearby.

Drypeak is both the name of the valley and the settlement (or so I believe). It is my understanding that the Shapers destroyed all settlements in the whole valley, but the valley itself still exists somewhere in the mountains near gazakii-uss. Originally Posted By: Gondor2222 Well..if that is the area from G2, it's where the rebellion started, and most likely the heart of the rebellion. Thus, yes, probably its just a barren wasteland now. Technically, the rebellion started on the Ashen Isles in GF3, but a number of key things happened in the valley that lead up to the rebellion.

As Jeff has said many times, it won't be happening. [begin sarcastic excitement] That's what Fan Fiction is for!![/end sarcastic excitement]

Thanks, I'll try copying them over sometime in the next few days and post any problems (if any) I have. As for graphics, my laptop has a better graphics card than the old macbooks. I can play Diablo 2 on there without a problem.

I'm not sure if this is the right topic, so please move it to the appropriate location if you so desire. Anyways: I've been wanting to switch my four geneforge games over to my laptop. 1 & 2 I have on disks, so I would imagine that I can do that without much trouble. However, my copies of 4 and 5 are registered online. What do I have to do in order to copy them over there (preferably without removing the registration on my desktop). Also, I only have 1.25 GHz processor on my mac laptop. The minimum for gf5 is 800MHz, with 1.6GHz recommended. Has anyone had trouble playing it on a lower processor?

And yet, it's all Spiderweb copyright, so it doesn't really matter. Anyway, I would love to see a full map of Terrestia.

I think we have decided it must be hardcoded into the game engine, no one has ever found it before. Although, if you find it, I'm sure that there are people (me included) that would enjoy being able to shape a massive horde, so long as it doesn't break the game.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I know perfectly well that this can be done with script editing, I just miscounted how many you had.

I always miss those sign post quests. This wouldn't happen to involve clearing out the abandoned farms, would it?

Originally Posted By: Doom Warrior Actually, you could shape them. Just change the graphics and rename our creations. Yes, but the thing is that, unless I am mistaken, there are more than the limit for creations allows.