Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 Add me to the parade. The whole series is good, but there's a major shift between the first trilogy (and coda) and the next 6 books. The Dread Empire series, or at least the middle trilogy, is also quite good. Garrett is my favorite of his writing, though. —Alorael, who inherited the old classic House of God yesterday. It's sadly missing some pages. He'll have to acquire another copy or get something else to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Dozakhi Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Been reading Tad Williams' Shadowthrone series. On the second book "Shadowplay" right now. Fantastic stuff. Even if the huge world leaves me confused sometimes, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 The Black Company was really pretty striking when it first came out. It was gritty fantasy, and also quirky in a way that reinforced the grittiness — odd details turned out to be vitally important, even though they didn't seem as though they obviously had to be. That could have come out as stupidly arbitrary, but it somehow made it over a threshold and worked, at least for me, as the brute facts of life not being tailored to human expectations. You ended up taking things a lot more seriously just because of how odd they seemed. I guess it's because a lot of very important details in the real world are things you'd never have expected, or could easily have overlooked. Cook managed to get enough grit in the story for the quirkiness to seem like added realism. For instance, learning a person's true name was terribly important, just as in lots of stories; the quirky bit was that true names were things like Mary Smith, and you found them out by looking up old birth certificates, or something. Could have been dumb, but it worked; figuring out people's original given names wound up being a more gripping quest than any search for mystic runes or magic gems. I agree that at some point the series went downhill, but I don't remember just when that was, for me. I think part of it was a weird form of villain creep. Characters that had been mere mini-bosses in the first trilogy somehow morphed into worse things than their original dread overlords had ever been. It wasn't blatantly inconsistent in terms of in-world rules — I'm sure there was some passable excuse — but it was pretty brutally inconsistent in flavor and style. Like some Gran Moff from Revenge of the Jedi appearing in Episode 7 as ten times the badass Darth Vader ever was. Otherwise, even the first three volumes might not be as impressive now as they seemed at the time, simply because I think a lot of people have copied the look and feel of the Black Company, at least to some extent, and it doesn't seem so original any more. But I think it really was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 The Black Company were the anti-heroes. A mercenary company brought in to do the dirty work for their employer and because they kept a recorded history, they fully expected to be cheated by their employer for doing their job. But no matter how evil their reputation was within a few chapters they found that they were being hired by an even greater evil. The series was different because it looked at what was good and evil. The established rulers were evil and the rebels were the good guys. But here you got to see the world from the "evil" side and see that they were just trying to survive and provide stability so most people could have a normal life. After the first book you got to see that there were degrees of evil and even then preventing a worse evil could unite different factions. The second series was the Black Company just wanting to go home. The journey had them fighting because of their past reputation that they didn't know existed. It became a myth story that you see in Lost and other TV shows where uncovering what happened in the past will explain what is happening in the present. It went downhill in quality because so many things didn't make sense until you get to the last few books and get the origin story of the Black Company. One of the things I like were the asides like the perpetual games of Tonk that they played during the quiet periods. Much like Asprin's Dragon Poker in his Myth books, you get enough of the game rules to follow the game without still being able to play it yourself. Then after a long build up you have a hand where one player leaves for a few moments and the other players rig the deck so the missing player thinks he will win the hand only to find that everyone else has a better hand. Just one more prank to provide some humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 I've introduced some friends to The Black Company in the last couple of years and they've been won over as fervent enough fans to devour the full ten book series rapidly, so I think it's still stood the test of time. Cook's style has something to it that really makes the stories work, but I think the genericness of the first trilogy really helps, surprisingly. The fact that names are often adjectives, or simply common English names, and towns are often nouns (or the oddly-named Barbara, which has stuck with me years later!) gives the whole thing a feeling of odd familiarity. It's not in a clear fantasyland. There's plenty of grim and gritty fantasy, but the Black Company isn't really grim. Bad things happen as a matter of course, but that's just the thing: it's a matter of course. It's all taken with weary lack of surprise. They play tonk whether they've got quiet work as glorified town guards or they're fending off supernatural horrors. I can't even describe what sells it so well, but I think what really hurt the later books most is that the setting lost its oddity and became firmly placed. Specifically, placed in fantasy India. India's an underused setting, but having the Company getting mired in the local ethnic and religious politics sold the real strengths of the series short. —Alorael, who always got the sense that there wasn't inflation of villainy. Just that the big villains were so big that their removal meant that secondary villains could credibly serve as immense dangers. They were only small fry relative to the really horrible existential threats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I've read a very very funny book : 33 lessons in philosophy by and for bad boys! By Alain Guyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Despite the criticisms (which I won't argue with), I've been enjoying the GRRM Ice and Fire books. I'm currently about half way through Feast of Crows (#4). Yes, there is more violence than I would like, and yes it is hard to find a true "good guy", but I still find the story compelling. To be honest, the lack of a real hero doesn't bother me - everyone is shades of grey in the series, and I find that interesting. Questionably Legal and Upon Mars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish corallus Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Anne Rice, The Wolf Gift.. and re reading "The Witching Hour" I do love Anne Rice's work.. And I am also reading the Dexter books by Jeff Lindsay . P.S - I too have started to read the GRRM Ice and Fire books.. Half way through the first book so far Pretty good so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk adc. Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 What have I read recently? A Conic Dived . By Dan Brown ------ -Nightwatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Neal Stephenson, Reamde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 After discussing the series in another thread last month, I just finished rereading David Eddings's Elenium/Tamuli. ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Neal Stephenson, Reamde. What do you think of it? It's on my list - I've enjoyed a number of Stephenson's books, but haven't gotten to Reamde yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I've been going through a backlog of books I bought and never got around to reading. Before a friend borrows it and it passes around through his friends and co-workers: Shepherd Mead's How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying written back in 1932. I needed a refresher in how to get something for almost nothing and the book expands on some points not in the later movie. It's a fast read with lots of illustrations and an almost power point presentation of the important points with examples. I recommend it to anyone looking for a job that isn't in a service industry. It's intended for getting to the top in a manufacturing company where you avoid doing the manufacturing. So it works well in our current off shoring out sourcing environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 What do you think of it? It's on my list - I've enjoyed a number of Stephenson's books, but haven't gotten to Reamde yet. Barely 40 pages in so far, which is still pretty much character exposition. It's promising, and the themes (and atmosphere) seem to overlap with Cryptonomicon somewhat. The style so far feels similar too. Edit: It took me embarrassingly long to catch the Tolkien cameo in the character Donald Cameron, Cambridge professor and fantasy author. (The parallels just keep coming, like his obsession with language and inventing words. He writes his first draft in the in-universe language. To be frank, once he opens his mouth he practically becomes JRR. I'm pretty sure that when he mentions starting "rather with words and language and constructed all upon that foundation" he's either quoting or paraphrasing him. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Skladzien Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Hmm. I read mianly fantasy. Few last books will tell You nothing like: Eugeniusz Dębski - O Włos od Piwa Feliks W. Kres - Strażniczka Istnień Wojciech Świdziniewski - Kłopoty w Hamdirholm But lately i was visiting Books Antique Fair and for very low price i bought 5 first books of Robert E. Howard "Conan". And that is what i am reading at the moment. P.S> Low prices mean 2-3 PLN per book (for example new book cost 30-40 PLN). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 P.S> Low prices mean 2-3 PLN per book (for example new book cost 30-40 PLN). I had no idea Poland still uses the zloty. For some reason, I thought they had switched to the euro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Well, they've signed the treaty, but according to Wikipedia the constitutional amendment for the currency change has neither the required 2/3 majority (national conservative opposition is too strong), nor popular support. The Euro isn't looking too hot right now, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Barely 40 pages in so far, which is still pretty much character exposition. It's promising, and the themes (and atmosphere) seem to overlap with Cryptonomicon somewhat. The style so far feels similar too. Edit: It took me embarrassingly long to catch the Tolkien cameo in the character Donald Cameron, Cambridge professor and fantasy author. (The parallels just keep coming, like his obsession with language and inventing words. He writes his first draft in the in-universe language. To be frank, once he opens his mouth he practically becomes JRR. I'm pretty sure that when he mentions starting "rather with words and language and constructed all upon that foundation" he's either quoting or paraphrasing him. ) Excellent, Cryptonomicon was my introduction to Stephenson, and one of my favorite all time books. Looking forward to Reamde! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Khoth Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 What do you think of it? It's on my list - I've enjoyed a number of Stephenson's books, but haven't gotten to Reamde yet. I was disappointed. It started off okay, but halfway through the plot was hijacked by a terrorist and everything about the virtual world ended up irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Arch-Mage Solberg Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Foxe's Book of Martyrs by John Foxe. Post # 696 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I'm 39% through REAMDE (this is the first book I'm reading on an e-reader) and am indeed missing a lot of what I loved about Cryptonomicon - the rambling asides, rapid shifts in style and perspective, attention to detail, etcetera. The characters are great, but after this whetted my appetite with virtual currencies, cryptography, metaverses, crowd phenomena (WoR) etc., the endless chases and shootouts in Xiamen are a bit of a letdown. By conservation of detail, I'm sure that the threads will come together at some point, but it feels a bit bogged down. Currently on the boat with Zula and Yuxia. Edit: And yeah, the end was basically one huge shootout scene. No intriguing yet scientifically unsound mind virus, no van-Eck phreaking or cryptography. Thumbs down. :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Just started Despair by Nabokov, after a month of reading nothing but short stories and poetry. Haven't read anything by him before, but (after only twenty pages), I'm really enjoying his style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 I have, at long last, starting in on Vlad Taltos with Jhereg. I read some of the Khaavren books long ago and gave up on Steven Brust, but I think he deserves a fair shot when he's not writing in a deliberately silly style. Or at leas a differently silly style. —Alorael, who appreciates an author who can matter-of-factly mention, in passing, revivification of the dead as a matter of course and millenia-old undead at tea to make a point about someone being unnecessarily touchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I liked those books when they first came out but the series somehow went downhill enough that I stopped reading it. I forget exactly what my complaints were, but I think it was mainly that he'd pulled out so many stops early in the series that he ran out of comparably interesting things to do after that. Just jumped the shark, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Some of the later stories are more in the style of the Khaavren series. Especially when the story isn't narrated by Vlad. Also Brust is building towards a future plot point that keeps the recent stories from being as straight forward as the first few ones. He still has the occasional well written line. But not letting Vlad kill anything that gets in his way is slowing it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Seasons of Destiny Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Well, sometime over the summer I found a paperback copy of The Eye of the World, which got me to start rereading the Wheel of Time series. One thing I've noticed is that things were way less serious back then, which I guess is kind of obvious, considering how ignorant they were of the outside world at the time. I've just finished reading The Dragon Reborn a few days ago, although now I have to wait for the person who has the next book checked out to return it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Despite the criticisms (which I won't argue with), I've been enjoying the GRRM Ice and Fire books. I'm currently about half way through Feast of Crows (#4). Yes, there is more violence than I would like, and yes it is hard to find a true "good guy", but I still find the story compelling. To be honest, the lack of a real hero doesn't bother me - everyone is shades of grey in the series, and I find that interesting. I finished Feast For Crows last week, and I have to say I liked it more than I expected. I had seen reviews saying that it was the slowest, least interesting of the books in the series. I will admit that it was a bit slower paced, but I loved the world-building aspects of it - reading about new places and new parts of the history. Also, it seemed to do some necessary tying up of loose ends after all the events that happened in Storm of Swords, and some "moving of pieces" to set up what I'm hoping are going be some really interesting events in the future. Now I'm looking forward to finding out what the other half of the characters were up to during all of this. Questionably Legal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 well, Jean Paul Sartre's Nausea is a pretty life-changing book i was especially moved at the meeting with anny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Thynar Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Diary of a U-Boat Commander by Stephen King-Hall It was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 anything by simon green. (deathstalker, nightside, secret histories...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Even more stories about ponies. But currently I'm reading A Brief History of Time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 I've been reading a so-called pocket guide. I won't tell you what it's a guide for, but I will tell you that it's over 1000 pages long and has mass-market paperback dimensions. Someone has very odd ideas of how big my pockets are. —Alorael, who also needs to avoid any riddle contests any time in the immediate future. Tyranicus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt MMXPERT-seraph of thermodynamics Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Opinions of a clown. Wasn't my kinda book, still finished it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A Brief History of Time. It's a good book, except that you have to take the last chapter or so with a grain of salt. Hawking explains some stuff there that essentially nobody but he believes in, but he still gives the impression that it's as well accepted as the stuff in the previous chapters. Aran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I've been reading a so-called pocket guide. I won't tell you what it's a guide for, but I will tell you that it's over 1000 pages long and has mass-market paperback dimensions. Someone has very odd ideas of how big my pockets are. is it the sort of book that would be primarily read by the kind of person who still wears cargo pants in 2013. because that would explain it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Alorael is obviously referring to Hoze and Taschen's monumental Pockets of the World. The definitive work; very impressive. The latest edition has an ample chapter on cargo pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 It's a good book, except that you have to take the last chapter or so with a grain of salt. Hawking explains some stuff there that essentially nobody but he believes in, but he still gives the impression that it's as well accepted as the stuff in the previous chapters. I read the whole book believing it was standard stuff, and now I have lost my copy, which particular topic was covered in that chapter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 is it the sort of book that would be primarily read by the kind of person who still wears cargo pants in 2013. because that would explain it Actually, a 1000-page book wouldn't fit in most cargo pants pockets either. I could manage a 825-page standard-sized paperback book, but barely. Also, what do you have against cargo pants? Dikiyoba recently re-read Watership Down. It's not perfect, but it's a darn good book. Sadly, the sequel is pretty bad. Tyranicus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I read the whole book believing it was standard stuff, and now I have lost my copy, which particular topic was covered in that chapter? It's been a while since I read the thing, but I think it was the Euclidean spacetime stuff, where somehow in quantum gravity time isn't really any different from space at all. This leads to cosmology in which there isn't really any sharp 'Big Bang' beginning to time, or something. Far from being generally accepted, this is essentially just Hawking's own pet theory. It has a couple of cute features, but most people just find it bizarre and arbitrary. It hasn't fared particularly well in the years since that book was written, either. It never really caught on. Lots of people have looked for various alternatives to the Big Bang, in some kind of quantum theory, but there's no consensus that Hawking's version got this right. Arg: I don't seem to have kept my copy. I used to move every few years and purge my library aggressively whenever I did. I must have decided that although it was a neat book there was nothing in it that I didn't already know well, so I wouldn't ever re-read it, so away it went. So I can't check just what it was that I felt took a misleading turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 I also wear cargo pants on occasion. I haven't tried the cargo pockets, but I suspect that while it might fit in the pocket the book wouldn't make it through the opening on top. —Alorael, who's also still chewing through Vlad Taltos books. He can see the breakdown of the author's marriage in them, which is interesting, but the series seems to peak early and then wander oddly. Disconnected, disaffected protagonists aren't very strong links to a world, and you can't sustain that for more than part of a book. Brust, to his credit, seems to have recognized this. Unfortunately his solution was no solution at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Goldengirl Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Jonathan D. Spence's Gate of Heavenly Peace is a pretty cool literary history of China during a loosely-defined revolutionary era (~1890 to 1980). It's pretty hip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Khoth Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I've been reading a so-called pocket guide. I won't tell you what it's a guide for, but I will tell you that it's over 1000 pages long and has mass-market paperback dimensions. Someone has very odd ideas of how big my pockets are. —Alorael, who also needs to avoid any riddle contests any time in the immediate future. Is it a spotter's guide to pockets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk adc. Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Darth Bane: Path to Destruction Darth Bane: Rule of Two Any Sith out there? ----- -Nightwatcher ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Lois McMaster Bujold's Captain Vorpatril's Alliance looks at the life and misadventures of Miles Vorkosigan's cousin Ivan. A simple job of helping out Imperial Security with getting information about a woman with possibly a false identity leads to rescuing a damsel in distress. Ivan's plan to solve her problem and his with the law would have worked except he forgot to consider what his relatives would do. Much funnier than other books in the series with some great lines and phrases. Ivan has found a safe niche in the military and intends to fight off any attempts to make him leave it. "And still ducking promotions, are you, Captain Vorpatril?" "Yes. And succeeding, no thanks to you." ... "I talk in my sleep? About classified ...?" "It's kind of hard to tell." Tej composed her mouth into Ivan Xav's accent and cadence, and recited, "Don't eat that avocado, Admiral, it's gone blue. The blue ones have shifty eyes." ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 The Stand by Stephen King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I read Captain Vorpatril a while ago, too. It was worth reading, a nice little story if you didn't know the whole saga, and interesting to see a few persistent minor characters get some time in the limelight, if you do know the whole saga. On the other hand it's pretty, well, tepid compared to the peaks of the series, like Mirror Dance, say. In some ways that's just what it has to be. The whole point of Ivan is that he doesn't have Miles's manic urgency. Even his big adventure is going to be a lot less edgy. But once the series gets round to Ivan's big adventure, you know you're in epilogue country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 The book makes the point that Ivan is an idiot only compared to his genius relatives. Ivan is content to go through life enjoying it if only his relatives would let him and if he wasn't a potential heir to the Emperor, a job he hopes he never gets. ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk RainbowDashRadical Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I've been reading The Canterbury Tales as of recently. About halfway through the Knight's tale. I love Chaucer's satirical humor, and the descriptions he gives for each individual of the pilgrimage. It really tells you a lot about medieval society. ~RainbowDashRadical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 alain robbe-grillet the voyeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 It's been a while since I read the thing, but I think it was the Euclidean spacetime stuff, where somehow in quantum gravity time isn't really any different from space at all. This leads to cosmology in which there isn't really any sharp 'Big Bang' beginning to time, or something. Far from being generally accepted, this is essentially just Hawking's own pet theory. It has a couple of cute features, but most people just find it bizarre and arbitrary. It hasn't fared particularly well in the years since that book was written, either. It never really caught on. Lots of people have looked for various alternatives to the Big Bang, in some kind of quantum theory, but there's no consensus that Hawking's version got this right. Arg: I don't seem to have kept my copy. I used to move every few years and purge my library aggressively whenever I did. I must have decided that although it was a neat book there was nothing in it that I didn't already know well, so I wouldn't ever re-read it, so away it went. So I can't check just what it was that I felt took a misleading turn. In my ebook version, the explanation of Euclidean space-time, and imaginary time, starts around page 106. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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