Ineffable Wingbolt Erebus the Black Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Those are more of an index type of pages, which an encyclopedia should have, and the short description makes it more user friendly. However a list of fictional anything is a slippery slope as things can be added on a whim and no one can argue that they are false as they are fictitious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in_Wikipedia Personally, I wouldn't mind if Wikipedia became a wiki version of Everything2. I'm willing to trade quality for greater coverage on less notable topics, so long as quality on more notable topics doesn't drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I agree! While I can understand Wikipedia's opposition to becoming full of entirely non-notable and unverifiable things, such as pages about anyone who bothers to edit Wikipedia, I think they've been a little too conservative. There was, for example, a fight over whether many fairly small (and some rather large and noteworthy) webcomics should be included. Well, everyone can verify that they exist; by existing, they can be noted. Is there harm in including information about them? —Alorael, whose dream is that, one day, there will be no yellow pages. There will be only Wikipedia, and everyone will be notable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 In the future, everyone will be notable for 15 paragraphs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 In the present, everyone is notable for fifteen minutes. Then speedy deletion. —Alorael, who experienced crushing existential angst when he was speedily deleted. How can he be sure he exists if his Wikipedia page no longer does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 And there existance can be altered by a disgruntled editor until caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 On-topic short story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dintiradan On-topic short story. Relevant article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Sarachim Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dintiradan On-topic short story. I'll see you and raise you one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba Also, while Dikiyoba is being picky, it's not really ironic to look up Godwin's Law on Wikipedia. It would be more ironic to look it up only to discover that the article has been deleted due to lack of notability. The irony isn't that I looked it up on Wikipedia. The irony is that someone had just said that Wikipedia has an article for everything. Also - did I start a monster? I think I'm going to walk away slowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Roentgenium Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 ...Isn't this supposed to be a sandwich survey? I've seen several topic changes in the General Forum before, but nobody's mentioned a sandwich on page 2 of this topic at all, and I'm pretty sure that sandwiches were the topic for less than half the posts on this topic. And considering the title has the word "sandwich" in it, some people might get confused if they skip ahead to read the latest surveys. Personally, I don't mind it too much - I haven't had a sandwich in a long time, anyhow - but it's still really vexing. Why is the General Forum, in particular, filled with so many topic changes? I would love an answer. On topic, I personally wish wikipedia would stop linking so many articles on each article. Information is good, but if I need information on one specific topic, it's made harder by the temptation to look at other articles that are linked on the article I actually need information from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Originally Posted By: Roentgenium ...Isn't this supposed to be a sandwich survey? I've seen several topic changes in the General Forum before, but nobody's mentioned a sandwich on page 2 of this topic at all, and I'm pretty sure that sandwiches were the topic for less than half the posts on this topic. And considering the title has the word "sandwich" in it, some people might get confused if they skip ahead to read the latest surveys. Personally, I don't mind it too much - I haven't had a sandwich in a long time, anyhow - but it's still really vexing. Why is the General Forum, in particular, filled with so many topic changes? I would love an answer. probably because there is only so much one can say about sandwiches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 So wrap up the topic and have dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Originally Posted By: Roentgenium On topic, I personally wish wikipedia would stop linking so many articles on each article. Information is good, but if I need information on one specific topic, it's made harder by the temptation to look at other articles that are linked on the article I actually need information from. But that's the best part of Wikipedia! Learning so much random information is what makes that site so much fun! I honestly love that one can go from any random article and get to the page on Hitler in <10 clicks. My average is about 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 So you're saying there are about 5 degrees of separation between Hitler and every topic in existence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 The usual phrase is Six Degrees of Separation. (-> World War I -> Adolf Hitler) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dintiradan The usual phrase is Six Degrees of Separation. (-> World War I -> Adolf Hitler) Very nice! Originally Posted By: Triumph So you're saying there are about 5 degrees of separation between Hitler and every topic in existence? Between 5 and 10, yes. And that only works since Wikipedia has an article for just about every topic in existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Did you know that if you go to any page on Wikipedia and click the first link not in parentheses or italics and continue doing that, you'll eventually get to "Philosophy"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I did know that, because I also read XKCD. As do a lot of people here. Edit: Damn, you edited in a XKCD thing just as I posted, so now I look snippy AND irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Irrelevance is the human condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: Sylae Did you know that if you go to any page on Wikipedia and click the first link not in parentheses or italics and continue doing that, you'll eventually get to "Philosophy"? This does not actually work. Philosophy is a common place to end up, but there are some equally common loops that will not take you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: Lilith probably because there is only so much one can say about sandwiches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: HOUSE of S Originally Posted By: Sylae Did you know that if you go to any page on Wikipedia and click the first link not in parentheses or italics and continue doing that, you'll eventually get to "Philosophy"? This does not actually work. Philosophy is a common place to end up, but there are some equally common loops that will not take you there. In the immortal words of you, Slarty, Originally Posted By: Slarty Finally, care to share your crunching? Please provide examples to support your outlandish claim! Are you calling xkcd out on a false claim? Preposterous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Wikipedia search "County Town". Click the first link, get sent to "Administrative Centre". Click the first link, get sent back to "County Town". Congratulations, you'll never reach Philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share Posted July 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: Master1 Are you calling xkcd out on a false claim? Preposterous! Dude, xkcd makes an error of one sort or another like every third comic. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I will also testify that I have run into one or two articles that end in a loop between two articles. I believe they were technology related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Sarachim Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Maybe the xkcd line is aspirational, not descriptive. Quick, somebody edit a path to philosophy into County Town! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: HOUSE of S Originally Posted By: Sylae Did you know that if you go to any page on Wikipedia and click the first link not in parentheses or italics and continue doing that, you'll eventually get to "Philosophy"? This does not actually work. Philosophy is a common place to end up, but there are some equally common loops that will not take you there. The article on science is one such loop: it goes Science -> Knowledge -> Description -> Rhetorical modes -> Expository writing -> Writing -> Text (literary theory) -> Literary theory -> Art -> Sense -> Physiology -> Science. You might expect it to hit philosophy at some point, but it never does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Handyman Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 And yet, you end up on "literary theory". Burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I started with English language and got to philosophy, and Science was in there too. Description is the second link when I view the page for knowledge. English Language -> West Germanic Language -> Germanic -> Indo-European -> Language Family -> Language -> Human -> Extant Taxon -> Biology -> Natural Science -> Science -> Knowledge -> Fact -> Information -> Order Theory -> Mathematics -> Quantity -> Property (philosophy) -> Modern Philosophy -> Philosophy --Continues to play around with Wikipedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Originally Posted By: Excalibur I started with English language and got to philosophy, and Science was in there too. Description is the second link when I view the page for knowledge. English Language -> West Germanic Language -> Germanic -> Indo-European -> Language Family -> Language -> Human -> Extant Taxon -> Biology -> Natural Science -> Science -> Knowledge -> Fact -> Information -> Order Theory -> Mathematics -> Quantity -> Property (philosophy) -> Modern Philosophy -> Philosophy --Continues to play around with Wikipedia huh. i wonder if the order of the links has changed around or if i just misclicked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I bet people edit some of those commonly reached pages specifically to spite/bolster this meme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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