Well-Actually War Trall BainIhrno Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Let's face it...the Lyceum is ruined. Posts are deleted, it looks ugly, and no one can maintain it. There isn't much interest or activity there anyway. We need a new rating site for BoE/BoA scenarios. Any ideas on how to do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I don't see why ratings can't be done on these very boards. It might allow for some uncritical people to offer ratings, but it's at one secure location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall BainIhrno Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 I like the idea of doing them here too, but I don't know that Jeff will allow it, with his own rating system. My other idea was Shadow Vale, but that will probably go down in 5-6 years, maybe less. Another benefit of doing them here would be we could have 5+ moderators to adjust scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Actually, I'm a little against having the CSR here. UBB already shows instability and post-eating tendencies as it is; the extra load that the CSR would place on it would likely result in something just as unstable as EZ-yuku-whatever-it's-called-now. Additionally, only four moderators can moderate a single forum. I think Shadow Vale is a good idea though. It already is a hub for many BoA designers, which means that it already has a share of the target demographic. Assuming Tyranicus doesn't mind, of course. Another option could be to have it on a single site (like, say, yours) and have the reviews e-mailed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Lazarus. Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Forum or the Blades Forge. The former is basically limited to Spidweb and SV, and arguments could be made for both. There IS something to be said for having the CSR right here on spidweb where it's so accessible to everybody, but then I'm in no position to even say whether or not we'd even be permitted to do it. If it were on SV it would have the advantage of not being on UBB, and being completely community controlled. The Blades Forge would be optimal, and I know Aran has plans to include reviews, but only he can say when that's going to be ready. I smell a blades chat; it's about time we had one anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Swimmin' Salmon Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Quote: Originally written by Lazarus.:The Blades Forge would be optimal, and I know Aran has plans to include reviews, but only he can say when that's going to be ready. I smell a blades chat; it's about time we had one anyhow. I really hope Aran can do it. He has da skillz. A blades chat would be cool, but only if scheduled when I'm available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Thralni Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 It has been mentioned aleady, but the Blades Forge was exactly the place where a new rating site could be established. He once upon a time even had a "reviews" button and I remember a long discussion, here at SW, about how to implement the rating system. So yes, Aran most defintely wants it to exist, but I think he said there were some problems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt aka Ravenwing Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I support the Blades Forge idea too. Heck, maybe when I'm less busy I'll even have time to play/review some scenarios. I'd be for doing it at Shadow Vale too (again, Tyran's site, Tyran's choice), but most of what we've seen there lately is spambots anyway. I hate to say it, but it might not be around much longer either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I like the proposed Blades Forge system, with the different categorical ratings. I actually thought it was already working, but I guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Another vote for the Forge. I also agree that we should have a blades chat again soon... I'll get on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I'd prefer the Blades Forge too, but that's entirely up to Arancaytar at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I'll do it. It just won't be for a while, thanks to college stuff. If you schedule the chat at a time that is practical for me (weekend or 2000 - 0600 GMT) I'd love to participate. I would like some ideas on how the rating system should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Quote: Originally written by BainIhrno:I like the idea of doing them here too, but I don't know that Jeff will allow it, with his own rating system. My other idea was Shadow Vale, but that will probably go down in 5-6 years, maybe less. Another benefit of doing them here would be we could have 5+ moderators to adjust scores. Umm, I'm not planning on taking my webspace down anytime soon. I use the same hosting space for my company's website. Why didn't anyone mention this to me while I was in the chat? I'm more than willing to set it up right now. Bain and TM do a good job with the current CSR, so I'll just create a public forum where only they can create topics. Bain, just let me know if you want to do this. It will take all of 5 minutes to set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall BainIhrno Posted March 9, 2008 Author Share Posted March 9, 2008 Let's do it, Tyran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Lazarus. Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 I think SV is a better option than the Lyceum, but my only reservation is that if the Forge will be ready soon, the effort of moving all those ratings over would be wasted. What will the role of the SV CSR be? Just an interim CSR, or are we going to move all the topics and completely relocate the Lyceum CSR? Is the Blades Forge the eventual destination for the CSR? And if it is, will it be a supplement to the SV CSR (Like Aran originally had intended it as a supplement to the Lyceum) or will it be a full replacement? How much effort would it even take to move all those rating threads? These are some of the things I wanted to bring up at the chat, but clearly I missed it. If you already discussed it, sorry. Just send me a chat transcript (Do that anyway, actually.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 It is done. I have created CSR forums under both BoA and BoE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall BainIhrno Posted March 9, 2008 Author Share Posted March 9, 2008 I don't see a forum for BoE. EDIT: Now I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 I'm not sure when the Forge review section will be finished, let alone function smoothly. Given that my schedule is still getting tighter, it could be as late as May or June. I don't advocate waiting till then. Especially with ezboard being what it is, I wouldn't wait to move the data. To put it another way, moving from a sinking ship to a ship that has not yet been built isn't smart. By all means, migrate the CSR to Shadow Vale. Perhaps the Forge could simply aggregate that instead, like it's doing for the Lyceum now. But what happens at the Forge can be decided later on when we have a stable review site and I have more time again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Lazarus. Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 The BoA CSR is up and running at http://forum.nethergate.net/index.php?showforum=31 Stop by and write some new reviews, or help us identify the old 'anonymous' reviews whose authors' identities were lost during the yuku switch. We still have a ways to go for the BoE CSR, though. Anyone who is willing to help is welcome-- it's a pretty daunting task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Thank you folks over at SV. I even dropped a few reviews in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Zeviz Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 A benefit of moving CSR here (on the official boards) is that it would be more likely to attract new players to the community. If a person new to Spidweb comes to this site because of A5, he is more likely to click down to an unusually active BoA/BoE forum than to seek out a scenario rating site. Once a person does click on the forum, he might be attracted by sheer volume of scenarios. (Sure, the Spidweb tables are large, but it's one thing to seek out rating tables for custom scenarios for a game you've never seen, and another thing to just look at another section of the forum you are already visiting.) More players seeing the ratings -> more players buying the games -> more scenario designers and higher likelihood that Jeff will make another similar game in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 We'd need a seperate board for that, something I'm sure would be hard to convince Jeff to do. Relevent or not, he's already got a space to review scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 This board is more stable than The Lyceum, but it does delete posts and threads when it gets too full. I think Shadow Vale is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 In terms of making people appreciate the sheer volume of scenarios, I've considered re-doing this forum's header in the style of the BoE forum. Think it would make any difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I think that'd be a nice touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Sounds like a good idea to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Umhmm, I say go for it, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila -Jeran Korak- Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 What happened to the Lyceum anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 The Lyceum's rather incompetent and broken hosts (ezBoard) finally moved it to their new and supposedly less broken board system, Yuku. The move, of course, broke a lot of things, including a large number of posts which suddenly became "unregistered". Also, Yuku is even uglier than ezBoard, which is a serious problem. So in the end, it was the Lyceum's ungrateful hosts who killed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 You could say it was living on borrowed time for all these years. I have yet to learn of a single community hosted by ezboard that did not meet with disaster or sufficient inconvenience to eventually pack up and go somewhere competent - although the Lyceum kept on for astonishingly long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt aka Ravenwing Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Quote: Originally written by Arancaytar:You could say it was living on borrowed time for all these years. I have yet to learn of a single community hosted by ezboard that did not meet with disaster or sufficient inconvenience to eventually pack up and go somewhere competent - although the Lyceum kept on for astonishingly long. That says we, as a community, are either extremely patient or excessively lazy. I'm leaning toward the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 It's simple physics, a body at rest tends to remain at rest unless acted upon by an outside force. In this case the host failing to allow the site to stay intact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Zeviz Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Quote: Originally written by Ephesos:In terms of making people appreciate the sheer volume of scenarios, I've considered re-doing this forum's header in the style of the BoE forum. Think it would make any difference? That sounds like a good idea. A suggestion if you do this: link to the reviews at ShadowVale / BladesForge / wherever CSR ends up, rather than to downloads directly. This way players will know if a scenario with appealing title is a good representation of overall quality. A related suggestion would be to include download links to review threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 The idea is nice, but: One more gateway that people have to click through and that has to be kept up to date... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Agreed... it'll be hard enough to just put the thing together, and I really don't have the time right at this moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Zeviz Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Not sure if this is the right place to post, but people restoring CSR might find this useful: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://pub26.ezboard.com/bthelyceum Not all reviews are archived, but the ones that are should help sort out the mess created by ezboard demise. You could even restore some reviews eaten by a crash a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Aw man... and here I thought I was done moving the CSR. I haven't looked at much, but it looks like it'll help identify many unregistered posts. I was gonna let Bain do it by memory... now I suppose I should help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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