Articulate Vlish Horus Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Having tried the cheats (they suck ) then the in game Editor by Hawk King (so limited...), I was wondering if anyone would in the future make an application that acts like the orginal Avernum character editors (since I'm guessing it would not be hard for someone who knows Av4's data intimately to build one). And I know everyone can go on with the "Why bother cheating" line but that's not what this query is about. Normally when I've completed an Avernum game a number of times I get to the point where I get bored so I use the Character editor to make a ready to go character with equipment all set up and a history of great or evil deeds behind him/her, so instead of starting with a group of novices wielding rusty knifes I get to go around as a lone (normally) experienced yet balanced veteran to add to a whole new challenge. The lack of character editor was a really downer in that respect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I doubt there will be a character editor. You can always cheat by modifying the scripts, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Horus Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 Would there be a Av4 character editor if you had to pay say $5 for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Synergy Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Istara Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 I really want to edit in the Girdle of Might. I swear to god I never sold it, because I was waiting to get it, but I have been to the place where allegedly it was supposed to be, and it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Lattan Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 There's more than one of each of the Girdle's...you'll get another chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 There won't ever be an editor for Avernum 4, but I am strongly considering relenting for Avernum 5, should it be written. (And, considering how crazy much Avernum 4 we're selling, Avernum 5 seems a good bet.) - Jeff Vogel wolfk418 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 I'd certainly like a Character Editor, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Glafna Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I also found the character editor to be much more effective, user-friendly, and useful than the weird cheat system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Mikami Aufeya Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 If you're not sure whether to go ahead with making Avernum 5, you have my vote. Aye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 You vote with your cash. A purchase of A4 is a vote for A5. And to those of you who scream, "poll tax," I say: perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Kelandon:You vote with your cash. A purchase of A4 is a vote for A5. From what I've heard of A4 and expect from A5, an argument against. I guessed that abandoning the system of previous Avernum games would be bad, and what people have said seems to confirm that. But hey, I'll wait for the Windows demo and see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Whatever the complaints, and there are some valid ones, the A4 engine is better than the older Avernum engines. Just fight a few of the more interesting fights and that becomes abundantly clear. All that's really missing is secret doors. And crate puzzles, if you're really a masochist. The graphics are always a wash. Jeff can't plesae the Exile-philes, the Geneforge-philes, and the Avernum-philes at the same time. I'm not complaining. The plot could have been better, but that's not an engine problem. —Alorael, who concludes that you should really play the game before complaining. Have you ever known Spidwebbers to do anything but gripe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Mikami Aufeya Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Good point. I loved Exile/Avernum, haven't decided whether the Geneforge series is worth buying (the demo was okay, but overall it didn't "grab" me like Exile did). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Natty Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 avernum 3 is the best i think uhm... ok i have no idea why im posting here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Natty, it is generally considered polite to leave an old thread alone unless you have something genuinely new and useful to add. You did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Bestrafer_fin Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Bent Spoon: The graphics are always a wash. Jeff can't plesae the Exile-philes, the Geneforge-philes, and the Avernum-philes at the same time. I'm not complaining. It's just that I would like Geneforge graphics to please Geneforge-philes and Avernum graphics to please Avernum-philes. I was totally shocked when I noticed the total lack of outdoors. I had liked them a lot in the other Avernums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Super ideal idea Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 What makes me angry its i accidently did an error to my charactors and i tried to fix it and BECAUSE there is NO editor. I really wish that the creator of avernum 4 will create a "Charactor editor" and for players of Avernum to download and for those who doesn't want it don't need to download it. Anyone that read this, reply if you Agree or Disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Super ideal idea:What makes me angry its i accidently did an error to my charactors and i tried to fix it and BECAUSE there is NO editor. I really wish that the creator of avernum 4 will create a "Charactor editor" and for players of Avernum to download and for those who doesn't want it don't need to download it. Anyone that read this, reply if you Agree or Disagree What kind of error? You might be able to fix it with one of the cheats. Jeff won't make a character editor, and we need to make peace with this fact. The cheats are all we're getting. Besides, if he didn't listen to the Mac users when we complained earlier, why would he start listening now? Besides, it's more of a challenge to avoid using the character editor... so I disagree. Let somebody else make the character editor if they need it so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Super ideal idea Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Quote: What kind of error? You might be able to fix it with one of the cheats. Jeff won't make a character editor, and we need to make peace with this fact. The cheats are all we're getting. Besides, if he didn't listen to the Mac users when we complained earlier, why would he start listening now? Besides, it's more of a challenge to avoid using the character editor... so I disagree. Let somebody else make the character editor if they need it so badly. Well i tried to put those Inhencers (that are "Elite Warrior", "Bless at Birth", etc...) But i forgot to put some to certain of my caracters and there are NO CHEATS to correct that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I wouldn't mind the character editor for when I forget to save my game before selling suff and accidentally sell something I wanted to keep. I've only used one three times before. Once I came back to the save game to find my boat was gone and there was no other way back in Exile 2. In Blades of Exile, A Small Rebellion scenario, I was piling up experience and loot from a gold mine filled with spirits when my money went to negative 32,000 something instead of maxing out. The only time it was my fault was in Avernum 2 when I needed spell points for Move Mountains to get out an area that I should have caught as a trap and had no save files before it. I wouldn't mind being able to tweak an existing character to change spent skill points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Red_Sage Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I'm making one but unfortunately, it will only be for windows users (being as I'll be using Visual C++ .NET) and I dont think I have the stamina to allow for item editing. Itll just be stats, traits and money editing. Ive figured out most of the save format info with regards to characters. "Header" stores the little image, time, date and all that. "Data" is where character info starts. Stuff like Level, for the first character, is stored at the 23968th byte, stats begin at the 24006th etc. I was bored last night. p.s. i started because i didnt pay attention to the unlock door - tool use connection. Took care of that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lord Bob Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Red_Sage:I'm making one but unfortunately, it will only be for windows users (being as I'll be using Visual C++ .NET) and I dont think I have the stamina to allow for item editing. Itll just be stats, traits and money editing. Ive figured out most of the save format info with regards to characters. "Header" stores the little image, time, date and all that. "Data" is where character info starts. Stuff like Level, for the first character, is stored at the 23968th byte, stats begin at the 24006th etc. I was bored last night. p.s. i started because i didnt pay attention to the unlock door - tool use connection. Took care of that problem. Glad to hear it. Good luck to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Firecage Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 when will it be done...WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Croikle Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I don't think that will make it progress any more quickly... It wouldn't be too hard to make an editor like Hawk King's, but with more power; it would only take some time and effort. My Geneforge editor was based on script editing, too (which makes it nicely cross-platform), and allows you to do quite a bit of stuff to your characters. Hawk King's is the same idea, but simpler. Basically, if you really want an editor, try to calm down and make one yourself. Look at Hawk King's editor and my GF1 editor (or some of the later ones which other people made) and try to do something similar yourself. It will take patience, but if you actually make something nice everyone will like you. If you just want something small like a Girdle of Might, that's a really simple change. You can find item numbers in av4itemschars.txt in your Scripts folder; for example, that Girdle is item 164. From there it's a simple addition of a couple lines to a talknode, after the last dialog text in that node (assuming that node doesn't already have a code entry): Code: code = reward_give(164);break; Please back up any scripts you edit before you change them, and possibly saved games too; if you screw something up, it would be too bad to completely lose all your progress. Have fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd diablo_tk Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally written by Red_Sage: I'm making one but unfortunately, it will only be for windows users (being as I'll be using Visual C++ .NET) and I dont think I have the stamina to allow for item editing. Itll just be stats, traits and money editing. Ive figured out most of the save format info with regards to characters. "Header" stores the little image, time, date and all that. "Data" is where character info starts. Stuff like Level, for the first character, is stored at the 23968th byte, stats begin at the 24006th etc. I was bored last night. p.s. i started because i didnt pay attention to the unlock door - tool use connection. Took care of that problem. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glad to hear it. Good luck to you! I could make a cross platform one using blitzmax but it would require knowing how the data is stored. however i would also need to buy a mac as well to compile it on and test it. unless i could find someone with bmax, a mac and the time to compile it. mm i could ask my brother who has a mac - but he lives ways a way from me - i might email him... now i just need to now how the data is stored, if anyone is willing to share that info... Edit: MADE A START- kinda I got the name of the save file using readline then skiped 33 bytes and then got your location by using readline again. But thats as much as i can do without know the rest of the file. i wouldnt know were to begin about finding the detials for the rest of the file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Red_Sage Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I finished the editor to a decent state but it requires .NET 2.0 framework since i wrote it in C#. You can get that from microsoft. I used Visual C# for GUI design purposes only, little else allows as smooth Rapid application development. The actual data itself requires little code. I will also post what i have decoded at the end of this post. I might come back to this later to add item support. Dunno. Screenies: Notice the -131% XP adjustment on my character, if you have more than 2 positive traits the XP adjustment starts to go down! I havent upload the exe file yet but will if anyone is interested. Core code: Code: private int[] off_arr = new int []{24006,29158,34310,39462 }; //offsets for each character fs.Seek(curr_off, SeekOrigin.Begin); //c_data, s_data etc are all of type byte or unsigned char for C++ people. fs.Read(c_data, 0, 61);//stats fs.Seek(19, SeekOrigin.Current); fs.Read(s_data, 0, 79);//spells fs.Seek(241, SeekOrigin.Current); fs.Read(t_data, 0, 29);//traits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd diablo_tk Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 would you consider making it open source so i can have a go at making a mac os version or a version that doesnt require framework 2 in blitzmax PLEASE . Good work BTW. [edit] Oh and if you need someware to host it, email me the compiled version diablo_tk (at) hotmail (dot) co (dot) uk[/edit] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Dime Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 I hate to bump an old topic, but I am interested in trying out the editor you made, Red_Sage. If possible, could you mail it to drl136 [at] yahoo [dot] com? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Zyvorg Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I'd Like a copy of this to. Email is Jedimasterfruitbat[at]gmail[.com] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Same here, although I'm wondering why people are posting their e-mail adresses when somebody can send them e-mails without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Greylord Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Can you use it on a Windows computer without having to download anything? If so, please send me a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Fyre Hunter Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 I would mind a copy emailed to me if it isn't to much of a trouble, Thanks alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Sigh.... Please learn to read older posts before making comments like that. The software needed to run the editor. The editor itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Archmagus Micael Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Okay, email me a copy and I'll host it, or get someone else to host it for you. That'll save everyone a lot of trouble. archmagusmicael@googlemail.com EDIT: Nevermind. Infernal posted at the same time. Took me too long to type in what I was going to say. - Archmagus Micael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 I hope that Micael posted at the same time as Infernal. —Alorael, who doesn't think more hosting or emailing is necessary at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Wulf Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Character editors give games replayability. I usually play through a game once as is, then go through again and mess around with stats, seeing just how crazy I can make things So if there is one made for the possible A5, it might be an after-you-beat-the-game bonus (like Bungee's Oni had) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk 1337 h4x0r Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 I've downloaded the program needed to run the editor, but can't download the actual editor. Why? Because the download has expired, much like month old milk. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Nalixor Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Can someone who has the editor made by Red_Sage please re-host it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Fenix Wulfheart Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 I shall second that request. I got a long running singleton who is playing through all Avernum games. Hard to keep him consistent in A4 if his skills all drop to bottom of the barrel. And the cheats only give skill points through leveling, which means a huge unexplained drop in power from A3 to A4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Note that the last post in this thread before yours was in 2006. The ship may have sailed at this point. Fenix Wulfheart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Fenix Wulfheart Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 No harm in trying. I'll learn how to edit my character's skill points in my save file if I have to. One way or another, the singleton will save Avernum again and again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Muscleguy Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 What I would love would be a way to edit A4 so like in every other one I can just type a and then the letter of the enemy to attack. It bugs me that A4 is the only one like this. I have dodgy wrists, joint fusion in each hand, and A4 is by far the worst of the games for me physically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 At this point, it's probably worth making a new topic if there is more to say about editors (or feature wishes?) for A4. Et voici. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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