Garrulous Glaahk Meri20098 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 How in the first three Geneforge games, you're practically encouraged to destroy the Geneforge without using it. However in Geneforge 4 you HAVE to use it? The whole thing seems weird. I feel like I've missed something. I'm restarting 4 today but I played through 1, 2, and 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Eh, it's a lot more complicated than that. You CAN'T use the Geneforge in G2 or G3, because you're a human and those Geneforges were made for drakons. So of the first three games, using the Geneforge is really only an option in G1. Then, in G4, you start out on a totally different side conflict with a different attitude toward Geneforge. There's not really an big contradiction there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I seem to recall that promotional materials for G4 also mention it was a conscious decision to bring the Geneforge more front-and-centre into the game rather than having it be something you only see near the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Plus it serves a different purpose in allowing you to gain abilities instead of increasing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Yeah. Despite the definite article, it's a very different Geneforge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Level 1 Hermit Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 That's cause you're playing as the Rebels in G4. You're encouraged to go against Shaper ideology and take as much power as you can. In G1 - G3 you're Shaper aligned, so the storyline plays out as if you're from the Shaper faction. No self-shaping! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Hume Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The first Geneforge - ultra powerful, you are encouraged to destroy it, with or without using it yourself. The power it gives is so great that you want no one have it, or you are the only one. The later geneforges are only poor replica, they make the user a little stronger, not make them god. The second and third are for drakons only. The fourth there is one at the very beginning, and is used to turn rebel apprentice into lifecrafter. You are a rebel apprentice. Serros 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Catoblepas Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 On the other hand, using canisters have a *lot* of repercussions on the ending depending on how many you use and which faction you join...In Geneforge 3 the Cannisters barely affect the endings, and have no impact on the endings of Geneforge 1 or 5 at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mechalibur Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I never felt like the first game encouraged you not to use the Geneforge; it just presented it in front of you and waiting to see what you would do with it. Stealing those gloves, and tricking T-man (I'm bad with names) into using the damaged ones, then taking ultimate power for yourself? What a great ending. Well, except the part where you go power-crazy and murder everyone who stands in your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Well, except the part where you go power-crazy and murder everyone who stands in your way. That's the best part! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Faerie Storm Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 On the other hand, using canisters have a *lot* of repercussions on the ending depending on how many you use and which faction you join...In Geneforge 3 the Cannisters barely affect the endings, and have no impact on the endings of Geneforge 1 or 5 at all. Canister usage affects the endings of all but the last geneforge. In the first it it less of an impact but I heard it was 3 or less to get the no canister ending(haven't done it myself as the computer I was playing it on died). Using the canisters in geneforge 3 doesn't have much impact on the rebel ending from what I can tell but if you use too many for the shaper ending the shapers kill you although yes the change is minor. Hoever as you are playing (with the exception of G5), using too many canisters limits your dialogue options. I'd like to see more impact on the endings from canister usage for geneforge 1 and more variation on geneforge 3's ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Canister usage affects the endings of all but the last geneforge. In the first it it less of an impact but I heard it was 3 or less to get the no canister ending(haven't done it myself as the computer I was playing it on died). This is incorrect. People tried canister-less play-throughs of G1 and it made no difference whatsoever to the ending. The game was designed to have you use canisters, and unlike later games really has no ways to gain most abilities apart from using canisters. The will-you-or-won't-you-use-canisters angle was a new aspect introduced in G2. Serros and Learned Noremac 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Learned Noremac Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 This is incorrect. People tried canister-less play-throughs of G1 and it made no difference whatsoever to the ending. The game was designed to have you use canisters, and unlike later games really has no ways to gain most abilities apart from using canisters. The will-you-or-won't-you-use-canisters angle was a new aspect introduced in G2. Yeah, certain dialogues with individual characters in G1 kept track of whether you'd used a lot or almost none, but the ending doesn't--Jeff (rightfully) assumed that most people wouldn't get to the end without canisters. I never understood why no one in the series attempts a "perfect genetic being" style Geneforge that works on humans after G1. Maybe it required a particular technical ingenuity and no one was able to fully duplicate the Sucia Island breakthrough? (They make it sound like they spent time decoding the "scrolls" of DNA and worked together to write a new genetic code from the ground up for the Geneforge, so you might in fact not even be all that human--they have designed a new life form. That's my headcanon, anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Serros Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I think the reason the Geneforge in 4 and 5 is such a poor knock-off is that it's not intended to do what the Geneforge 1 Geneforge does. As most of the information on it was destroyed, all that's left is what Zakary and Barzahl recovered. Sucia Island had the backing of the Shapers and their vast resources until it was barred, the later Geneforges was just what the Rebels could create. Especially since the Drakons weren't being very herlpful and that the later Geneforge was designed to serve the rebellion in creating Lifecrafters (if all the Rebels were basically gods incarnate, they'd likely turn on each other and destroy the world). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma ThricebornPhoenix Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Sucia Island had the backing of the Shapers and their vast resources until it was barred Quite true. No one since, even among the Shapers, has had the skill and means to create a belt with +3 to each of the major attributes, or indeed any artifact worth over 7500 coins. Sudanna, Slawbug and Triumph 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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