Articulate Vlish Jukai Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: *i Aside from the attention grabbing headline, all your above link says is that the discovery implies new laws are needed. The fundamental notion of science is that are rules that allow us to predict the behavior of observable phenomena. These need not even be deterministic, and only need to assign measurable likelihoods (probabilities) of events occurring given a set of circumstances. The "Laws of Physics" are simply a scientific model we use to predict physical behavior. By proving quarks can break parity, we've broken the Laws of Physics and they will have to be rewritten slightly. We are not omnipotent beings, we don't know the true objective nature of reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Immune to jokes? nonesense. I laugh plenty in real life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: Jukai The "Laws of Physics" are simply a scientific model we use to predict physical behavior. By proving quarks can break parity, we've broken the Laws of Physics and they will have to be rewritten slightly. We are not omnipotent beings, we don't know the true objective nature of reality. We're talking across each other here. What *i and I are saying is that "the laws of physics" are defined as whatever laws describe "the true objective nature of reality". What you're calling "the laws of physics" in this conversation, and what are casually referred to as the laws of physics, are actually just our current approximations of the laws of physics. But when physicists observe something inconsistent with those approximations, they don't say that the laws of physics were broken: they say the laws of physics are different from what we thought they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: FnordCola I hate it when cartographers dematerialize mountain ranges in my area. Sorry about that, it's just what we do. Sometimes the pesky things pop up where they shouldn't so we need to move them. (((BIG DUMP TRUCK!!!))) Just remember to let dozing bulls lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Playable Minotaurs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Kennedy Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 If you got to play ogres or giants then maybe they'd get to dual wield halberds! As for aliens, maybe somebody could write a blades of Avernum scenario where aliens attack the empire and suddenly the underworld gets flooded with refugees from the surface looking for someplace safe to hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, rebel servile. LIGHT YEARS ahead in technology A light year is a measure of distance, not time, and certainly not technological advancement. Perhaps we should make a unit for technological advancement. Or is that what the <material> ages are all about? Originally Posted By: Jukai Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, rebel servile. Karoka, the laws of physics can not be broken. Not exactly true. Yeah, I'm pretty much here with Lilith and Stareye. If, under certain circumstances, previously conceived notions of how the universe change, those exceptions become part of our established "laws" of physics. And saying that the laws of physics may not work say, regarding singularities in black holes - would it not be more fitting to say that the laws of physics contain a set of laws specifically for those conditions. Laws that differ under specific circumstances. EDIT: sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, I didn't see page 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: Skwish-E Playable Minotaurs! Ooooh, you're good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Quote: A light year is a measure of distance, not time, and certainly not technological advancement. I believe this is called using language 'figuratively.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Oh hey, I'm just going to link to Richard Feynman . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Quote: And saying that the laws of physics may not work say, regarding singularities in black holes - would it not be more fitting to say that the laws of physics contain a set of laws specifically for those conditions. Laws that differ under specific circumstances. Yes. We assume that there are laws that describe that regime, even though we don't know what they are. I'm stating philosophically that it is possible that there are no set of laws that govern that regime, and use it as an example, not as any assertion. I think there are laws there that we do not yet understand, and my only basis is that everything else that we've found has them. Nonetheless, I have no evidence with regards to that claim. Further, there is no way to test the assertion there are no laws for the same reasons that you have trouble proving a negative. *** EDIT *** To clarify what I mean by no laws, it means that the outcome of a particular measurement of a system is entirely unpredictable, not even in the sense of probability. There is, in fact, a theoretical way to test this, but not possible in practice. If you and I both do an infinite number of identical measurements on a system, and we get different distribution of results, I assert that there is no law of any predictive power we can make on that system. Now, this is impossible in practice because we would have to do infinity measurements (not merely a lot) to be sure we have completely probed all possible events. Those measurements must also be identical, which is also impossible for one because of the simple reason that you and I are different and would inevitably have a different impact on the very system we are measuring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Originally Posted By: Harehunter Originally Posted By: FnordCola I hate it when cartographers dematerialize mountain ranges in my area. Sorry about that, it's just what we do. Sometimes the pesky things pop up where they shouldn't so we need to move them. (((BIG DUMP TRUCK!!!))) Just remember to let dozing bulls lie. this actually happened in germany when GPS found that one of their mountains was a few meters off of measurements. their solution: raise the level of the mountain by dumping a few truckloads of rock on top to conform with their maps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 But, the rocks would just roll down it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Then how do mountains stay not-flat in the first place? There are ways to build up mountains; they're just not easy or practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Yes but not every mountain in germany has a flat top... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 I had a neighbor who had a flat top. Dick Tracey was looking for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Was that a joke? lets remain on topic and not mention people that nobody has heared of >.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Yes a joke, and now I feel old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 You look like your twenty... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Skwish-E Yes a joke, and now I feel old. Don't worry, I'm only 20 and I got it, and I (obviously) know who Dick Tracy is. Flattop Jones was a villain in the Dick Tracy comics, for the uninitiated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, rebel servile. Yes but not every mountain in germany has a flat top... There's a little (read: huge) range of topographical descriptors between "so pointy nothing can stay on top without building all the way up from the bottom" and "flat as Nebraska." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Necris Omega Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Nikki. Originally Posted By: Skwish-E Yes a joke, and now I feel old. Don't worry, I'm only 20 and I got it, and I (obviously) know who Dick Tracy is. Flattop Jones was a villain in the Dick Tracy comics, for the uninitiated. Flattop had a last name? Huh... never knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Obviously Trenton didn't check with HQ via his wristwatch radio, otherwise he'd know who Dick Tracy was. On a related note, how come we don't have two way video watches yet? The technology to create the exists, I'm staring at it right now in the form of my smartphone, and I'm sure there's a market for it, even if it is a very limited one of Dick Tracy enthusiasts with a couple hundred dollars to burn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Necris Omega Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Eh, there were some early experiments with video phones back during the 90s, but the interest wasn't there. As for smartphone videophones... they DO apparently exist, they're just an obscure and not widely used technology due to the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dantius Obviously Trenton didn't check with HQ via his wristwatch radio, otherwise he'd know who Dick Tracy was. On a related note, how come we don't have two way video watches yet? The technology to create the exists, I'm staring at it right now in the form of my smartphone, and I'm sure there's a market for it, even if it is a very limited one of Dick Tracy enthusiasts with a couple hundred dollars to burn... Just use rubber bands to put your smartphone on your wrist. Sorted. Also, Necris Omega: yeah they exist. The iPhone is one, for starters, and as of the iPhone 4, it has built-in features capable of handling a video call. I would assume any other smartphone capable of running a Skype (or similar) app would be able to make or take videocalls too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Video watches will never exist because it would be really irritating to have to hold your arm in a specific position so that your face could be properly captured for the watch. (And impeccably framed, too, if we're talking DT watches.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 But thats the beauty of video watches, they do these things for you, no mater how you put your face, it captures your image perfectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 David Foster Wallace on video phones (from a work of fiction, but an interesting set of ideas nonetheless. And no, it's not all in all caps, just the first paragraph): http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bruesselbach/teleportraiture/posts/110471 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 The two-way wrist tv was actually produced, but it was too expensive, and not found to be as workable as it was in the comic strip. The size of the watch was just too bulky, and not something that people wanted to wear around. Also, battery life was bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Just add a couple of 9-volt batteries and your set to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 IIRC, 9-volt batteries are at least $4 each, which will add up quickly. Even if you use rechargeable one, you're going to have to spend a whole lot of time charging them. Safari just suggested that I change "quickly" to "qucickly." FAIL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Death Knight Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 Im not even sure what to make of where this topic is going... Either way, if you cant play as the aliens thats not the biggest deal as we might get to play as jeff fogel With this new perk system, i think this game is going to rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Strap a 12-volt car battery to your back and now we're talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Hold on to two wet metal poles in a lightning storm on top of a tall hill in a tree... Yeah, NOW we are talking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Originally Posted By: Skwish-E Strap a 12-volt car battery to your back and now we're talking. Would you really want to carry around a box that's full of lead and sulfuric acid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Originally Posted By: Excalibur Would you really want to carry around a box that's full of lead and sulfuric acid? Oops! That was my lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd RogueGypsy47 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Randomly semi-tangentially kinda-sorta not really on topic – and might I also say that it is very amusing to click onto the latest page of a thread about potential new races.. and find a discussion about batteries.. a discussion that I'm not certain I /want/ to become more enlightened upon, mind – I wouldn't mind seeing the Nephil and Slith lose their xp penalty. Sure, keep the bonuses, but give the humans something neat, too. Like, mayhaps they get bonuses to Defense instead of Pole or Bow weapons.. or to Luck or Arcane Lore. Far too late to institute /now/, of course, but just a thought. It seems like the xp penalty gets to be rather steep when factored in across the whole of a character's lifetime, when all I want is some cool lizardfolk and cat-people in my party. Then again, I much prefer D&D 3.5's Level Adjustment system to the little I've seen of 4E's Monster Class system, so maybe I don't know what I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Originally Posted By: RogueGypsy47 Far too late to institute /now/, of course, but just a thought. It seems like the xp penalty gets to be rather steep when factored in across the whole of a character's lifetime, when all I want is some cool lizardfolk and cat-people in my party. The XP penalty is actually much, much less of a big deal than it looks like, since experience gains are scaled to your level -- so as soon as you fall a level behind, you'll immediately start gaining more experience to catch you up. The bonuses that non-humans get more than make up for being a level or two behind, especially in the second trilogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Besides this is Avernum 1, we are all humans now. Avernum 2 will give racial choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 will they be doing remakes of Avernum 2 and 3 also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Probably alternating with Avadon 2 and 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 What Lilith said. I can't recall very well what nephil and sliths were like in A2/3/Blades, but they were good in the original exile games, and even more so in A4-6. In general, I found every 10% bonus/penalty to experience meant about 2 levels difference or a little less by the end of the game (maybe a bit more in A6, since it's so long). That means you lose ~10 skill points, and 10-15 health and energy. The number of points you get in skills are worth more like 30-50 skill points by the end of the game, plus sliths get extra health and fire resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd RogueGypsy47 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Ah, well then.. o.o See, this is why I come and say things here: because you people are so much more geeky than I and have calculated out such differences. Although, that seems to say even more that the xp penalty needs to be done away with in favor of humans getting some bonuses. I mean, if it's not having a substantial effect throughout the game in return for the boosts it gives. o.o Maybe I'm just one of those types who wants humans to be good at their own thing and not just the baseline that everybody else is better than. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Yeah, beneficial traits in general (and races in the later Averna are essentially a third trait) are kind of broken in Avernum. I'm intrigued by the new trait system, but I'm not sure how character races will fit in with that once A2-2 comes around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Duck in a Top Hat Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Originally Posted By: FnordCola I'm intrigued by the new trait system, but I'm not sure how character races will fit in with that once A2-2 comes around. What would be cool is if there was a large pool of traits available to every race, but each race also had special traits that only they could get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Death Knight Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 Originally Posted By: RogueGypsy47 Ah, well then.. o.o See, this is why I come and say things here: because you people are so much more geeky than I and have calculated out such differences. Although, that seems to say even more that the xp penalty needs to be done away with in favor of humans getting some bonuses. I mean, if it's not having a substantial effect throughout the game in return for the boosts it gives. o.o Maybe I'm just one of those types who wants humans to be good at their own thing and not just the baseline that everybody else is better than. Well, if you think about how d and d did their mastery of generalized classes (3.0), jeff already probably has something thought of about making humans more viable. In d and d, humans got an extra feat at lvl 1, Jeff might be able to give humans the ability to choose from a few underdog feats that allow them to learn things to bump it more to their favor, making them equal to their other counterparts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Originally Posted By: Duck in a Top Hat What would be cool is if there was a large pool of traits available to every race, but each race also had special traits that only they could get. that would mean alot coding and brainwork and would delay game alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 A lot of coding? Not really, just one more check on the availability of traits. Brainwork? Balancing new traits is work, but I can't imagine it would be so terrible. —Alorael, who wouldn't be surprised to see racial traits replace racial bonuses in A2.2. It could finally get rid of the counterintuitive overpowered experience penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Overall I think that sounds like a good solution. The one problem that occurs to me is that from what we know of the traits system, this would make all character races identical at level 1. This isn't the end of the world, but it does seem somewhat off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 The non-humans could be forced to spend their first level trait on a racial trait, or humans could get two and all the other races could get one racial and one regular. Or the other races could get regular bonuses at level intervals, as they do now, and the humans could get extra trait points at level intervals, getting more flexibility in exchange for smaller bonuses. —Alorael, who has no faith in the last solution. The general trend of Spiderweb games is rewarding specialization, and the specialization that's optimal is rarely one built into the game as a default. You don't want a default class; why would you want a default race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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