Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Quote: From Jeff Vogel:I have been asked if I am going to [Carbonize] Nethergate. The answer is that I actually want to do something more impressive to Nethergate. I want to put actual work into it, including new material, upgrading to 800x600 resolution, and making it look just generally nicer. This would take actual time, though, so I'm not sure when it'll happen. —Alorael, who will burn wicker men in order to hasten the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 *drools* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Synergy Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 This would be a truly wonderful thing. I didn't get that email from Jeff, Alo...was it a personal reply, or where did you get that info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 So he's Avernumizing Nethergate now? Huh. Wonder if registered users will have to pay again for the new version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Since Nethergate has always been my favorite, I'm bouncing off the walls with excitement! I think I will join with Alorael in the burning of wicker men. Quote: upgrading to 800x600 resolution Does he mean 1024x768? It's already at 800x600 isn't it? One improvement I would love with Nethergate would be to fix the issue with Windows XP that displays the taskbar. When I first played it on 98, it covered the screen nicely, but with XP, the taskbar is still visible at the bottom, and with an 800x600 resolution, this leaves for less space to stick the automap. If he could put the automap over the equipment screen like in Avernum instead of as a free-floating window, I would love that. Right-click look functionality would be greatly appreciated as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Xoid Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Quote: Originally written by Tyranicus:...but with XP, the taskbar is still visible at the bottom... Right click on the task bar. Click on properties. Uncheck the box that says "Keep the taskbar on top of other windows". It may also be a good idea to go into the Control Panel, and change the theme to 'Windows Classic'. I find that apart from saving on system resources, Nethergate looks better without the rounded corners that the 'Windows XP' theme bestows upon Nethergate's pop-ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 23, 2005 Author Share Posted December 23, 2005 It doesn't sound like a total overhaul like Exile to Avernum, just a Nethergate Premium. And yes, Jeff says that upgrading from the regular version will probably entail a "nominal fee." I'd be willing to pay, and if enough people do maybe it will inspire another Nethergate-esque game. —Alorael, who doesn't think too many wicker men will be useful. What's really needed now is some, um, volunteers. For the wicker man, you know. It's for a good cause! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Quote: Originally written by CPeters:Right click on the task bar. Click on properties. Uncheck the box that says "Keep the taskbar on top of other windows". I know that, but I don't want to have to do it every time I play Nethergate. I like the taskbar there when I'm not playing a fullscreen game. There is a way to do it too. I mean, the Avernum games take up the whole screen just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Kingy Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 It's about time something new was done with Nethergate. It is some of his best work and yet it is barely ever talked about. Like someone said earlier, hopefully if enough people buy it then it will encourage Jeff to make Nethergate 2. I plan to purchase this just to encourage it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Xoid Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Quote: Originally written by Tyranicus:I know that, but I don't want to have to do it every time I play Nethergate. I like the taskbar there when I'm not playing a fullscreen game. There is a way to do it too. I mean, the Avernum games take up the whole screen just fine. It is irritating, I know, but I have some other friendly suggestions:You could try the "Auto-Hide the taskbar" option. Use the windows key to bring up the taskbar quickly. Run Nethergate at 1074x768 with the 'put game area in center' option turned off. You'll then have more than enough room to fit the map. Run Nethergate at 1074x768 - you can just fit the map to the left hand side whilst still leaving the HP and spell energy numbers visible. Break into Jeff's house, and perform Chinese water torture and/or hold him at gunpoint until he agrees to code Nethergate's automap to your tastes. Personally, I'd prefer the latter option. But Jeff has me peeved as of late. Forking over wads of cash on the proviso he update Nethergate might work too. I would love to see a Nethergate 2. Hopefully Jeff will note that a few people hold the opinion that Nethergate was some of his best work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Kingy Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Another thing I hope for is that N2 will have a code to register it. Otherwise the shipping will be the thing that will be likely to stop people from outside the US from purchasing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 24, 2005 Author Share Posted December 24, 2005 I think Nethergate was an experiment. If that registration had worked better, subsequent games would have stuck with it. They didn't, so I wouldn't expect them now. —Alorael, who doesn't understand why Nethergate is CD only. The Blades download and CD is much more immediate gratification-oriented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Slith Lord Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Quote: Originally written by Kingy:Otherwise the shipping will be the thing that will be likely to stop people from outside the US from purchasing it. I do not think it will stop most people if they really want these games. I bought nearly all games on CD and I live in Austria. (middle Europe) Alo, you wanted some volunteers? I´ll build my own wicker slith with some slith thiefs in it. I wonder if the wicker slith will be also fire-resistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Thralni Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Oh my god. if this means he is going to geneforgize nethergate, I'm going to faint. Its the last thing i want to happen, because i like Nethergate as it is. Oh my god, I was just thinking, what if he is also going to geneforgize avernum 1 2 and 3!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 What, one remake per game isn't enough? Seriously, though, if you don't like the new version if and when it comes out, you always have the option to stick with the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Thralni Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 yes, you're right about that. Phew, I was starting to get worried already he might screw everything up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Synergy Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 You know what I am wondering, is if Jeff uses the most recent A4 engine to update Nethergate, will he reintroduce elevation into the engine? If he doesn't bother, Nethergate will lose much of its visual charm, along with some of its actual map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 24, 2005 Author Share Posted December 24, 2005 Maybe I'm alone in this, but I understood Jeff's email to mean that he'll be taking the original Nethergate game with the original Nethergate engine and expanding it, making it look nicer, and not turning into Avernum or Geneforge. —Alorael, who would be willing to pay a nominal fee for more Nethergate goodness. If that means you can catch a wish-granting fish, so much the better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk John S Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Quote: Originally written by Novo Ordo RWum:Maybe I'm alone in this, but I understood Jeff's email to mean that he'll be taking the original Nethergate game with the original Nethergate engine and expanding it, making it look nicer, and not turning into Avernum or Geneforge. That's what I think too. I just wish the remake doesn't require me to pay again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Especially since it's going to a better resolution, but not A4's resolution. That suggests that it won't just be A4's engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Nethergate is a great game and all, one of my favorite Spiderweb titles, but I'd rather see new material period. I've seen enough remakes for one decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 25, 2005 Author Share Posted December 25, 2005 The amount of time invested is likely to be small. It's neither a new game nor a new engine. Just being able to play Nethergate without resorting to extraordinary measures when Classic is no longer supporter is worth the time and money. —Alorael, who doubts that more remakes will be appearing soon. A4 begs for sequels and G4 is already on the radar. That's plenty of non-remake time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted December 25, 2005 Share Posted December 25, 2005 By non-remake I would like to see something totally new, but I guess we are stuck with our sagas for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Lord Sylak Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 I think that a new Nethergate would make teh game more popular, and perhaps he would be able to finally reember the use of the puzzle box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk John S Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 Quote: Originally written by Takeru Takashi:I think that a new Nethergate would make teh game more popular, and perhaps he would be able to finally reember the use of the puzzle box The key to the puzzle is figuring out that you can't do anything with it. Or, at least, that's what makes me feel better when I think about how I didn't solve said puzzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 The reworked Nethergate would use the same engine, just beefed up. Probably Avernum style dialogue (this would take some time). Some new content. Interface and game system improvements. The interface would likely look a lot like Avernum's in the end. A lot of the major encounters would be reworked to be more in the current style (multi-phase encounters with adds and other special abilities). And the game would be rebalanced to make it more challenging at the end (something I have long felt is a major flaw in the game). The update would most likely be $10 for registered users. In addition to the general, overall reworking, there would probably one decently sized dungeon for each side (one for Romans, one for Celts). All of this, is, of course, at least 9 months in the future and subject to drastic change. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spring Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Wow. I like what I hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Hmm. Well, based on what you've said so far, I'd seriously consider shelling out 10 clams for that update. ... and I just realised I made a completely unintentional and fairly awful pun in that sentence. I mean, I don't even have to try any more. It's like I've attained a state of pun satori. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted April 16, 2006 Author Share Posted April 16, 2006 I'm not seeing flashes of puns. I'm seeing constant puns. You, my friend, have achieved pun nirvana. —Alorael, who would be happy to purchase whatever form of Nethergate runs in OS X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Hmm. I am not opposed to any of that (except perhaps the dialogue change — Nethergate's dialogue system had a certain charm, but I guess I can just play BoE to my heart's content in that regard). I'd pay $10 for it, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Sounds very good to me. I preferred the Ask About and keyword talking interface though. I can live with that, but the rest of the changes sound really cool. I would definitely be willing to pay $10 for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Super. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast VCH Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Sweet! Maybe I'll finally get to see what everyone thinks is so great about it. Seeing as how I never have played past the demo and that was years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 It's very great now. You don't need to wait for the update to see how great it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Great. I'm really looking forward to the updated version. I actually want the Avernum style dialogue. (It's not my fault A2 was the first game I came across.) And at the rate Dikiyoba plays, Dikiyoba should complete the demo at about the same time the updated version comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Lord Sylak Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Honestly? This news demands i return my displayed name to what i used to have it at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 I have but one issue - resolution. I run a really awful old monitor that won't even run Av4. If Nethergate goes upto 106756770xWhatever, then I won't be able to play it, which would be bad... If I had confirmation that it would run in 800x600, I'd pay the money now. In fact, I'd pay my $25 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 It will definitely be 800x600. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast VCH Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Tyranicus:It's very great now. You don't need to wait for the update to see how great it is. No I'll wait until it's remade. I can't stand the size actual playing area.Though I do remember the demo was quite enjoyable back, what 5 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk 1337 h4x0r Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 I'd totally be willing to pay the $10, just as soon as someone lends it to me. Anyone? >.>'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Inthrall Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Edit: Sorry, a friend of mine got on here and posted a rather crude post, so I deleted it. Sorry for the Spam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk 1337 h4x0r Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Hang him!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Jame2 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 My computer didn't like BoA or A4; it would refuse to shut down if I played them. So I doubt I'll buy the updated version of Nethergate. Too bad, though, because it sounds interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Morgaine Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 This would be the best news of my life! I would love to see all the improvements and relish any new styles or dialogue. Of all the Spiderweb games I have played, Nethergate and A4 rank the highest in that order! Thanx Jeff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Lancer Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Yes. I am definitely an advocate of change if that change means an improvement in gameplay.. With that said.. Ohh, so get rid of that antiquated keyword dialogue system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: This would be the best news of my life! Really? What a boring life you have. As for the dialogue system, some people liked the keyword system where you could type in your own word. Of course, it can be annoying too. But it's a toss up either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I think the best dialogue system would have questions and keywords. That would be more like real life, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Thralni Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: Originally written by *i:Nethergate is a great game and all, one of my favorite Spiderweb titles, but I'd rather see new material period. I've seen enough remakes for one decade. I quite agree with that. Further more, I think nethergate looks very nice as it is (I just love these graphics). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Lancer Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: Originally written by *i: As for the dialogue system, some people liked the keyword system where you could type in your own word. Of course, it can be annoying too. But it's a toss up either way.[/QB] I harbor an intense dislike of keyword dialogue systems after playing SNES Shadowrun. Plodding through endless lists of keywords one by one hoping to find the right one that would advance the conversation somehow, is not my idea of fun. They are just atrocious in terms of gameplay. The only reason one would have them is for nostalgic reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Lancer Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: Originally written by United States of Tyranica:I think the best dialogue system would have questions and keywords. That would be more like real life, I believe. Having complete sentences (or comprehensible phrases) and responded in turn via complete sentences is more like real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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