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Well, we're talking about different things. When I say "Trakovites are not rebels" and "Astoria's faction is rebel faction" I meant... as far as reputation goes. It was probably not clear cause I then described the other factions as too Shapery etc.

I would like to say SPOILERS AHEAD that there are two rebel factions in GF5 (hardcore rebels and moderate rebels under a Shaper councilor), two Shaper factions (hardcore Shapers and Shapers so hardcore that most other shapers oppose them) and ... Trakovites that are not rebels at all.

Played GF4, GF5 and part GF3 (still playing it). I always side with the rebels but they do some awful stuff. In GF3, I may actually side with the Shapers. I'll see how it goes. It's not a good choice and a bad choice. It's choosing from two horrible choices. Good people exist in both sides and get killed and bad people exist in both sides and exploit the rivalry. PS. I consider the story of GF4 to be the best, but that may be because it was the first I played. But I was the game I found I was more invested in helping the rebels there and defeat the evil mage empire that was killing my friends and enslaving sentient creatures since the first 5 minutes.

You can leave? I haven't done that. I ran the whole "finale" without going to a city. And 50th lvl lifecrafter with just these creations you mentioned? Why didn't you make more level 5s? I was with 2 high level (from artifacts) gazers, 1 drakon, 1 Kyshaak and 2 tralls. Add to that Platano's robe and other artifacts and items and you would be able to cleave them without any problem. At your level, a well boosted top rank group could cleave 2-3 rotgroths per turn.

Actually, I never had a problem with this fight. Do you take out the pillars and the side-drakons? Get the extra creations that are locked in rooms?

MWAHAHAAHHAHA... Oh, the sweet innocence. No spoilers. I want to listen your surprised comments once you realize that the above statement is wrong.

Blxz did you reach Taygen already?

What level does a pacifist end up, compared to non pacifists?

Wait what? I haven't finished GF3, so I won't read any of this, but is it really possible to end GF3 without landing a blow or making a creation?

Greta is awesome! She helps push your rep towards rebels if needed. There's a really nice shaper that does the same somewhere else. \ Mekkhen... She really helps.

Welcome to the dilemmas that make the game great! Both sides have good people and bad people. Both sides rightfully view the other side as an enemy. Remember: In a war good people from each side have to kill good people from the other side. This goes double for civil wars. I did not betray that poor dock-working rebel and had no problems at all. I also didn't betray the caravan. I didn't betray the safe-house. When Shapers started to become shifty and too suspicious... I had to throw a few otherwise good people under the bus to get in their "let's tolerate him a bit more" side. It required me doing some things I regret in the later chapters or betray people I liked. Giving Shaila to the Shapers in Chapter 1 was easy. If you want to keep open the Trakovite option (the most morally right finale IMO) do NOT betray that Trakovite spy. Not until you talk with him and do his quest with te cannister.

5 Fire shaping is not "very good" but he's just 10th level. I doubt I had that much at 10th. Also, unless I'm very mistaken, every +1 in shaping is +1 level. Every -2- levels is +1 str, dex, int, endurance. Not that it's not important to raise fire shaping etc just making sure I remember this correctly.

If you want some damage variety, make 3 cryoras and 1 fyora but keep around 15-20 essence. DO NOT worry yet about keeping them alive. Sure, it's better if they survive a couple of level-ups but you will end up absorbing them eventually for better creations. They really don't hold up to higher tier creations. As a note: Rebels are (IMO) better people so far. Shapers pay better. I went pro-rebel in the end, but I was sitting the fence more or less till the end.

You have very good fire shaping. I would suggest absorbing that extremely expensive cryora (It costs as much as 3 good ones) and making more with just 2 int. If you want some damage variety, make 3 cryoras and 1 fyora but keep around 15-20 essence free and use blessing magic before fights. Replenish as necessary by going back to safe places. Like Dilame. Your early build is actually very good for fights. You should concentrate on mechanics and leadership now in my opinion for at least 3 levels. Getting a 6-7 to mechanics and leadership will make your life easier (and less expensive).

Without giving spoilers, based on what you say above, I would say do not align with Alwan yet. Wait till you reach the Dera Reaches.

When I played with Litalia, I think the rebels were destroyed and got the Ashen isles (if that at all).

You know I'm printing those, planning to sell them as "Shaper Research" to quest givers, don't you?

Thank you but the edit (and quote) buttons don't work well every time. I usually am able to edit my posts. On topic: I'm not going to go for different ending replaying the whole thing yet. I will replay it some time far in the future... but I will still go for the very same ending! Every other ending feels depressingly wrong. However, I'm willing to load the pre-finale save and go kill Litalia (once I find the time). Not go on from there.

I see you already make growing essence pools to connect your spawners too... You just have to accelerate the procedure now. Oh, and make the mass produce fire-spiting variants of the lizards that Owenrus will design.

I think I can also wipe out the Alwan's fort.

Ohhh... I forgot about those -insert bad word here- ! Yeah, I should go wipe them out.

Thanks for splitting this thread. Now, to the point: How to do it if I'm a rebel? I doubt it would chage the endings anyway... I believe the Shapers will still attack me and Rebels will still defend me.

Well, he's the guy that tells me to "talk with Alwan first" before he gives me a quest. Now I know what the quest is. Alwan has already left at this point. Truth be told, I went to Litalia's room and attacked her. Creations started flooding in. I quit the game soon after. Perhaps I could have won, but it would be a long thing. If I decide to do it, I'll park next to the healing pool and start shaping stuff forever.

Well, because nobody gave me a quest to kill. I actually went back to attack and Kill Litalia. It's not "auto-defeat" but the place is choke-full of ultra-powerful creations, Litalia heals and attacks in the same round and she shapes 600hp war-tralls... All in all, she is indeed able to be killed! But DAMN HARD.

I got the "shaper" ending by going with the rebels, completely and utterly eliminating the poor Shapers without any machinery harmed or a single important NPC dead; I would dare say without any creation dead. Then... I flipped the switch and toasted the Unbound. That was my "Shaper" ending. How can Litalia die if you're pro-rebels? Or even riding the fence as I was at that point? Oh, and a great big thank you for this. I assume the other such threads are as full of Spoilers, and should be avoided, right?