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You know I'm printing those, planning to sell them as "Shaper Research" to quest givers, don't you?

Thank you but the edit (and quote) buttons don't work well every time. I usually am able to edit my posts. On topic: I'm not going to go for different ending replaying the whole thing yet. I will replay it some time far in the future... but I will still go for the very same ending! Every other ending feels depressingly wrong. However, I'm willing to load the pre-finale save and go kill Litalia (once I find the time). Not go on from there.

I see you already make growing essence pools to connect your spawners too... You just have to accelerate the procedure now. Oh, and make the mass produce fire-spiting variants of the lizards that Owenrus will design.

I think I can also wipe out the Alwan's fort.

Ohhh... I forgot about those -insert bad word here- ! Yeah, I should go wipe them out.

Thanks for splitting this thread. Now, to the point: How to do it if I'm a rebel? I doubt it would chage the endings anyway... I believe the Shapers will still attack me and Rebels will still defend me.

Well, he's the guy that tells me to "talk with Alwan first" before he gives me a quest. Now I know what the quest is. Alwan has already left at this point. Truth be told, I went to Litalia's room and attacked her. Creations started flooding in. I quit the game soon after. Perhaps I could have won, but it would be a long thing. If I decide to do it, I'll park next to the healing pool and start shaping stuff forever.

Well, because nobody gave me a quest to kill. I actually went back to attack and Kill Litalia. It's not "auto-defeat" but the place is choke-full of ultra-powerful creations, Litalia heals and attacks in the same round and she shapes 600hp war-tralls... All in all, she is indeed able to be killed! But DAMN HARD.

I got the "shaper" ending by going with the rebels, completely and utterly eliminating the poor Shapers without any machinery harmed or a single important NPC dead; I would dare say without any creation dead. Then... I flipped the switch and toasted the Unbound. That was my "Shaper" ending. How can Litalia die if you're pro-rebels? Or even riding the fence as I was at that point? Oh, and a great big thank you for this. I assume the other such threads are as full of Spoilers, and should be avoided, right?

And all my rebel endings had Akhari Blaze, arguably the best life-crafter to have ever lived, personally controlling the Unbound with his seer willpower stopping them from going rogue, before their ultimate release on unsuspecting Shaper lands. If he dies and the Unbound are created... WHO controls them?!?

Can Akhari\Greta die if you go with the Rebels and live if you go with the Shapers?! Meh, I have to spend a good few hours to explore these. Not sure I'll read the whole post about what happens. Anyway, can someone tell me how I can kill Litalia and stay a rebel? Or it's impossible?

LITALIA CAN DIE in GF4?!?

Owenrus: Yes. I agree with 90% of what you said in post 203. But you forget that most of his speeches from GF3 (those I heard) to GF5 are about the wisdom of the Shaper law and how deviating from it causes all hell break lose. And then he breaks Shaper law in all games. And I would say that in GF4, his deviation significanly helps the Unbound to be created because in the canon ending... Alwan loses and Unbound are created. Things would have been different if an exceptionally powerful Life-crafter (the player) has been executed as Shaper Law dictated, the moment he stepped in Dilhame. Oh, and Khyric the Trakovite is as much a Shaper as Toroth the Drayk Blxz kills (Haven't watched the episodes, just going from the titles). He certainly is not one of the sane shapers. He's an ex-Shaper. Anyway, you go very well over the reasons I respect Alwan. But in the end, he was an enemy. I wish all the Shapers were as honorable but like all of them, I HAD to stop their evil empire. I also 100% agree that the worst in the region are the Drakons, not the Shapers. They are so much different in goals than the sane Rebels that I (at least in my mind) don't count them as the same faction. To me it is Shapers, rebels, Drakons. Not Shapers, rebels. Blxz: Then you have your answer... But please, do me a favor and do Trakovites too after you finish with Alwan.

Remove the spoiler please for Blxz's eyes (since that actual spoiler may influence him to pick or avoid certain factions, it would for me), but what you said in the spoiler APPEARS to be correct. To a degree. Alwan not following the rules he blindly worships (I don't recall him anywhere saying he doesn't like them) makes him a pragmatist\Hypocrite. He does burn down geneforged people with abandon, just not all of them. I remind you that ALL life-crafters human, Serviles or Drakons are geneforged and Alwan is after all of them. Sure, he clearly doesn't call you a disgusting freak. But he is a fanatic that prefers the whole world to burn than Shaper Law to lose omnipotency. Every other end except the one you mention proves it. For Miranda, I agree. Shanti I never met (I think she's GF2) and Khyric I don't remember or haven't met.

Episode 54 Just in case, I won't mention exactly what it was, but you made a very accurate prediction about something there that I haven't figured at the time while it became very handy later on. Did you read any of my spoilers about Dilame in other threads? Cause I kinda have been pretty heavily mentioning it before figuring out there are people that haven't played the last game. As a note, I disagree that Alwan was one of the most reasonable Shapers. He was a fanatic that, if the game had interest in that stuff, would have your Drayks killed the moment you stepped in Dilame. He is a patriot, brave and he is useful. But fanaticism is never good and while Alwan is not dismissive on the power of Creations, he's blind as to how the Shaper Law he worships brought and empowered the rebellion. Astoria on the other hand, can discern defeat when it looks her in the face and is willing to do what it takes to stop the war and possible total annihilation of the Shapers. Like treating servilles with the respect they deserve. Alwan on the other hand, like the hardcore fanatic he is, prefers to never surrender even if it dooms everyone including the order he so much loves instead of deviating from the frought with mistakes path that Shapers of the past have set upon. And a funny thing: "If you obey our laws, you have no problem with me" said the Shaper that broke and keeps breaking Shaper laws to win the war to the creature-that-should-not-exist according to those laws that has 3 forbidden creations trailing him. I laughed there... Don't get me wrong, I respect Alwan (although I disagree with him) but his insistence on worshipping Shaper law by allowing exceptions to it seems funny. Oh, and full disclosure here: I ratted out the whole thing about Gazaki Uss to Alwan, even though I had enough leadership to lie. When you go there you'll understand why I was annoyed with the Drakons even though I support the rebels. And I'm not the only one in the Rebellion that has been fed up with them. I remind you in GF4, the Cryo-drayk rebellion against the Drakons. CLARIFICATION: Saying "I want to help" doesn't put you in a faction. You have to swear an oath. They clearly state that if you agree, you would join their faction. CLARIFICATION2: Burning Kyshaak's don't hold even for one area; they hold together for a few rounds. And then they explode dealing lots of damage. They were very useful to me as suicide troops with their huge health. I would sit in the eeeedge of a zone, make one and send it towards my enemies. They would hack it appart and then it would blow up. Good for softening up enemies.

Keep working on the geneforge Blxz! Don't get distructed. Owenrus is already making Fyoras that can't breathe fire and starts writing ethics about not creating creatures too big for him to control safely and how cloned-humans-with-big-noses he will eventually make will have to serve him for eternity. They will need your geneforge.

Yeah, don't make one and lead it to your enemies. Can't say it didn't work. But it was a bad thing to do. Also, perhaps with Blxz's geneforge you COULD give yourself magic and power to make sure the bigger lizard won't kill you.

Since the Unbound Purgation was worth some effort: http://imgur.com/gallery/AkmI4Vf/new

So... your plan is to make a fyora. I find Blxz's ambitions to create a geneforge more... wait. You plan to spend years and years to learn slowly how to make a small lizard, understanding the procedure, the risks etc. Blxz is creating a geneforge to bypass all that. Where have I heard that kind of disagreement? Owenrus: DO NOT enslave the clones-of-humans-with-big-noses you'll eventually make! NOTHING would have happened if the Shapers were Astoria-like from their early days. No rebellion. No destruction. No Unbound. No Purity Agent.

Episode 52: I had problems listening to you in this one. You probably have forgot about this, but in min 7, I see you removed your pants and are now more vulnerable to cold. Ironically realistic. The battle with the Eyebeast there was one of the most difficult for me. Episode 53: I will say it just cause it's funny enough to require being said: You shouldn't be fighting Cryoras without your pants on.

Everyone that plays these games will appreciate your efforts to create a geneforge. Just make sure to write on the pool "should not be used to make Unbound" and on the other side "Trakjov, hands off!"

The golems are about as difficult as the Unbound but they are not low-level to miss my high level creations. On the other hand, they don't do as massive damage to cleave through low-level creations in one hit.

Blxz, welcome to the club of Justice. Here's your member's card:

Well, the problem with Shaping Unbound is that you need Akari Blaze's will to keep them in line, for a time. With severe effort and concentration. And Akari wasn't fighting while he was driving them through Burnwood; when it was time to fight, they just released the Unbound.

FIIIINAAAAALYYY! ! ! Of course, I had to watch the fight even if it's waaaaaay ahead of where I am in the story. I've seen poor Blxz suffering too much to leave this for later. You can hear Blxz doubtful that it goes well... a kind of "It's too good to be true!" attitude. As if expecting the Unbound to suddenly pop a message of "and then, the creature heals!" or something. Believe it... You just KILLED AN UNBOUND! PS. It didn't happen in a short amount of time; it happened when you upgraded from creations with 150 health to creations with 800 health. Loved your description of post-Unbound Ephoria Blxz. I was like: "Phewwww... now that I know I am on the top 15 most powerful creatures in Terrestia, I can get on with the game". You now know, deeply in your heart that there are two kinds of computer gamers: Those that have killed an Unbound and those that have not. Blxz, do you want to have a reaaaaaaally good self-back pat? Watch episode 34. Jump back in time. Relive it. See the horror. The nightmare you now woke out of! About the "20 XP for an Unbound " part: Yeah, that's probably because they're not very high level, but just powerful. So, when your creations get to 35 level and you have dex artifacts on, Unbound won't even be able to hit them. They will miss 80% of the time. At which time, you would find a lot more enemies that do more damage than Unbound. Unbound and the Patchworks: What did I do: I got a Fyora to get the attention of the Unbound before I went to fight the Patchworks. I was a Shaper, not life-crafter. Expendable creations are just that.