Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 So, has anyone made a short summary of the endings yet? If so, I missed it. Anyway, for those who have seen all of them, what's your favorite ending? Judging from the scripts, it looks like Astoria's ending may be the happiest. The Trakovites aren't too bad, but I strongly disagree with Litalia's methods. Releasing the shredbugs? Unleashing a deadly disease onto Sage Taygen's oasis, harming innocents in the process? Not good. Rawal is, um, very mean. I don't know why anyone would want to swear loyalty to him other than for the sake of seeing every ending. Taygen is nuts, but at least he believes he's doing the right thing. Hmm, I wonder if you really die if you get the Taygen ending as a Servile, what with the disease and all. Alwan is naive if he believes he can keep the old Shaper ways without making the same mistakes again, IMO. Ghaldring has gone crazy, it seems. I liked the GF4 Ghaldring much better. "The time of the serviles will never come" really doesn't sound good too me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Serene Tempest Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I think the idea was that Ghaldring had always been that crazy, or at least had been for a very long time (ie before GF 4). He was just incredibly cunning, and only showed his true colors when his rage and desperation at realizing that he might not win that battle finally shattered his calm and calculating charade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I finished Alwan's and Taygen's ending. The Alwan ending is actually quite good and he does moderate, in the end. He turns out to be merciful and allows the remnants of the rebellion to have the Ashen Isles for the Rebels that are currently living. After they die out, the Ashen isles will be reclaimed by the Shapers. This may cause trouble, but at least both sides agreed. Rawal and Taygen lose their council seats and Astoria maintains hers but everyone is always suspicious of her. Shaper law is reinstituted and strict controls are put into place, but the Shapers are more benevolent. Takovites are discredited and Litalia killed. You end up living a comfortable life. All and all, most people are happy. The Taygen ending is a "bad" ending. You win, he unleashes the purity agent without the council's permission. Rebellion is totally eliminated. Rawal becomes high councilor, Alwan dies in shame, Astoria retains her seat but people are ever suspicious, and Taygen is exiled. Shaper law is reinstituted, but Trakovites philosophy slowly gains a lot of influence. Litalia is killed. You end up as an outcast. Most people are disgusted in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 The Ghaldring ending turns out basically the same as the Astoria one, but with more bloodshed. After the war against the Shapers is won, the "lesser" half of the rebellion, under Greta's direction, launches a surprise attack against the Drakons to win freedom from them. The end result is the same: most of the drakons are dead, the surviving Shapers are banished to the coastal provinces and the Rebels control the rest of Terrestia. The one big advantage over the Astoria ending is that you get to kill Rawal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Serene Tempest Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Actually, I had the impression that the Ghladring ending was much worse for the Shapers than the Astoria ending, and not really much better for the rebels except that when all the smoke cleared they had significantly more land under their control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 No, it really is pretty much the same. About half the text is identical between the two of them. The Shapers have a lot more dead leaders in the Ghaldring ending, but in either case Terrestia ends up partitioned into two separate countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Ouroboros Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 What happened in Rawal ending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 You serve Rawal happily for two years. Then the rebels win the war and send an army of drakons to Rawal's doorstep to burn down his tower. There are no survivors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Hahahah that's great. But honestly, Rawal is nice to get some extra points from. With no negative effects, except for those who follow Taygen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast VCH Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 use ResFool and you can read all the endings just search for the biggest text files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 That's very interesting. Thanks, Thuryl and Stareye. One more question - what exactly happens to Rawal in Astoria's ending? I recall someone saying that he ends up gaining power... Somehow, I'm not surprised that Greta decides to launch a surprise attack against the drakons. She clearly supports Astoria when you meet her in Inner Gazaki-Uss. About ResFool - hmm, is there any similar program for PC users? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 In Astoria's version of the final battle, you're given the option to kill Greta or let her flee. If you let her flee, she becomes rebel leader and Rawal eventually becomes High Councillor. If you kill her, Akhari Blaze becomes rebel leader but Rawal gets kicked off the Shaper Council. The connection between these events is never explained, but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Oh. Thanks. That does seem a bit odd. Maybe it's a mistake on Jeff's part. Like, maybe he did last minute changes to the Astoria ending and forgot to edit both versions, or something like that. Having to kill poor Greta to prevent Rawal from becoming High Councillor doesn't really make sense, as far as I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Butterfly Effect and/or conservation of goodness. I've always liked Greta and thought she had her heart in the right place. She gets balanced with Rawal, whod doesn't even seem to have a heart. To get rid of Rawal you have to balance it by getting rid of Greta as well. —Alorael, who concludes that Geneforge is set in a hostile, hateful world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Agreed. You just can't save both Greta and Astoria and get rid of Rawal, it seems. I've been doing some more browsing... When does Astoria ask you to kill Ghaldring? It would seem that the battle takes place *after* you meet the Shaper Council... So is the Kill Ghaldring quest directly given by the Shaper Council? If so, it appears that you can't read what happens at the meeting merely by browsing the scripts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: The Lurker I've been doing some more browsing... When does Astoria ask you to kill Ghaldring? It would seem that the battle takes place *after* you meet the Shaper Council... So is the Kill Ghaldring quest directly given by the Shaper Council? If so, it appears that you can't read what happens at the meeting merely by browsing the scripts. Correct on all counts. The meeting with the Shaper Council is a cutscene similar to the ending slideshows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Wait, so you meet the Shaper Council, and it's like one of the beginning/ending slideshows, and then there's another one for the ending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Ooh, goodie! Is there a council meeting where you kill them all?? Pretty please? With a cherry on top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 When you side with Ghaldring, you get to kill all seven Council members. Rawal, Alwan, Astoria, and Taygen are all faction leaders and have to be assassinated separately. Then Ghaldring tells you to go kill the last three members (Nawal, Sharissa, and High Councillor Shema) in their own Council Hall. However, they aren't really doing a "council meeting" when you and Akhari Blaze attack. They're making their last stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Wait, so are you playing out the attack or does the dialog just let you win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 If you're on Ghaldring's path, you don't get the slideshow; you gots to fight it out yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Oh. That's fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Why the sad smiley? I'd much rather fight Shema than have him killed during a cutscene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 True, but wouldn't you imagine fighting all three (living) council members would be hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Jeff rarely makes final battles difficult. He prefers to make optional challenges instead. Anyway, Sharissa and Nawal should both be fairly easy, especially with Akhari Blaze's help. As for Shema, I hope Jeff didn't make him *too* easy. If you want to see hard battles, try clearing Sammann's two challenge areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Who's Sammann? Wait. Are his battle levels the levels someone mentioned in the update where rogues do 2000 damage?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 No clue. The only thing I can tell you is that Sammann's two areas are GF5's expert dungeon, which can be entered from the Okavano Barrier once you have the two keys (I think). Sammann was a rebel Lifecrafter who went crazy after extensively reshaping himself. He's also a pretty tough boss, apparently, with nasty HP regeneration abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Yikes. I won't be going there any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Probably a wise idea... According to the ones who have finished it, you should only enter it if you have a very strong character. Even then, don't expect to be able to clear everything on your first try. It's apparently significantly harder than the GF4 expert areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Quote: Yikes. I won't be going there any time soon. I repeat: Quote: Yikes. I won't be going there any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lyric Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Thuryl the surviving Shapers are banished to the coastal provinces and the Rebels control the rest of Terrestia. The one big advantage over the Astoria ending is that you get to kill Rawal. But wasn't there a second shaper continent, one that had a denser shaper population than Terrestia. Why don't the shapers from this continent help the terrestian ones? Or did Jeff just forget about the second continent . Edit: "Posts: 111" yey triple 1 post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Yippedeezoodah for Mythrael! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 The latter, it seems. I believe Lethia Province and the Nodye Coast occasionally send reinforcements (unexperienced and terrified soldiers, that is), if that makes you feel any better. Off-topic : I thought it would be possible to enter Lethia and Nodye when I first saw the map, but the Lethia and Nodye gates are like the Turabi Gate and the Western Morass... Are they as well defended as their GF4 equivalents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 The lethia province is guarded by a ton of mines with the triggers toward you. It's absolutely impossible to get in. As for the Nodye gate, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Hmm, thanks. I think there is a way to slip past the mines and even attack the gate, though (again, judging from the scripts). The real problem is probably that you eventually face a gate or a wall that you can't get past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Ah. Wouldn't it be strange if the zones were actually written into the game but you couldn't reach them, just to taunt you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lyric Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Uber Unbound just to taunt you? and to finally make me want to absorb(very slowly, that is) the rogue named Uber Unbound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 There are no scripts or ways past the locked doors at each of the three passes to the western provinces. It is possible to fight your way through or survive triggering the mines, but you don't get much except to loot Nodye Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd sobre Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 So what happens in the trakovite ending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Ohtar Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I'm working on compiling (via extensive cheating) all the endings I can find. I'll transcribe them and post them once I'm done. I've got two Astorian Endings, a rebel ending, the Rawal ending and the unaligned "ending." I'm working on Trakovites now. Anyone got a better idea of how many ending variations per faction there are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice ex post slarto Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I just found the endings in the game files! They are just in the data fork this time, but they are there, in their entirity from what I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Any OCD here you want to help sort the ending text can go here and read it all (unsorted). http://geneforge5.webs.com/ending.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Ohtar Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Oh, excellent. That will save me a lot of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice ex post slarto Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Sheesh. I've only looked at Astoria's so far, but it has a massive number of variations compared with past endings. We're talking G1 here, but with more minor details, many of which I can't recognize the triggers for at all. What determines -- with the Astoria ending -- whether the Trakovites disappear or are eventually victorious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Serene Tempest Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I'd be more curious to know what gets the Rebels to essentially adopt the portions of Shaper law dealing with restrictions of power after they have their own half of Terrestria to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 What is interesting is the ending if you break with the factions once too often. Hunted down by Shapers and Rebels... Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast VCH Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Originally Posted By: Slarty I just found the endings in the game files! They are just in the data fork this time, but they are there, in their entirity from what I can tell. What programme did you use? I can't seem to find the end game text with resfool or resknife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 8, 2008 Author Share Posted December 8, 2008 Another thing I find interesting is that there are *two* Rawal endings. Anyway, thanks, Dahak! Outstanding work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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