Garrulous Glaahk ginger8445 Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 How many people do you like to use in the Avernum games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 I prefer to play with one, and sometimes I'll go for two. Both are more fun for me than three or four, and about the same as six from Exile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Rent-an-Ihrno Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 i fully concur with drakeybaby on that one. edit #1: its much easier to develop a personal relationship to only one or two chars than to the full load. and i think fewer chars are more effective. edit #2: though i prefer two chars over one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I've played all the games with a full party. After doing Avernum 4 as a singleton in torment, I'm going to go back and try the others as singletons. It's easier the first time through to use a full party to cover sloppy playing. You can usually recover from mistakes and there are more slots to carry all that loot. I've always gone with custom characters since I haven't found a good set of pregenerated ones. The hedge wizard seems the closest to what I would do for a spellcaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Berserker's not bad, but I use four customs. It's hard to make an abusive mage-priest without customizing and most of the classes use their extra points on useless things like Throwing and Underwater Basket Weaving. —Alorael, who will never attempt to use reed javelins again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I normally use two customs. One is a melée fighter with enough priest knowledge to heal himself and lots of cave lore. The other is a spellcaster with a bow and lots of tool use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Dikiyoba uses four customs: a melee-priest, two mage-priests, and a rogue-priest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Micawber Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I'm getting a feeling that Dikiyoba likes priests. I like to have 4 characters each of whom specialises in 2 things, which I mix and match from among pole, melee, bows, assassination, mage, priest, potions and lockpicking. In other words pretty much like the pre-fab party but with a little bit less redundancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I use alweays 4 cause I like to keep fighters as fighters and spellcasters as spellcasters and in AV1 and 3 I used default party and AV2 I made custom (and small mistake). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Catweasle Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I have tried a singleton in A3 but it was a bit difficult and I gave it up and picked up the NPCs. Otherewise I use 4 Characters: melee-warrior, pole-warrior/priest with mage 3 (can hasten) and two priest/mages. Having 3 priests is very useful against undead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Catweasle: Yep 3 priest is nice against undeads but only undeads that fighters just don't hack to pieces are those which drain and Vampires and Demons (not actually undeads but very close) and big litchs so 2 is quite enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Let's see... I've used the full four nearly every time. Up to A4, it went tank, archer/rogue, priest, mage. Fairly boring. At BoA, I started diversifying by mixing in magic with the tank and archer. By the time I hit A4, second time through I just used four magic-focused PCs and dominated. Sadly, my interest had flagged in a second run about halfway through. But going back to A2 and 3, I tried something rather fun. Start with a singleton chock-full of personality, then pick up the other NPCs as I went. It was a fun method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Dado Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I create my party with each character doing a diferent thing like: Berserker(For fight and leadership), Rogue(For disarming and bows), Cleric(Priest spells and first aid) and a Sorcerer(Mage spells and potions) or Archer(Range attacks), Rebel(Disarming and lore), Shaman(Fight, priest spells) and a Hedge Wizard(Both spells and potions) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk ginger8445 Posted August 17, 2006 Author Share Posted August 17, 2006 In response to Dado's answer I think that's great but I was wondering how are you able to develop a relationship with your NPC's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Rent-an-Ihrno Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 the same way you develop a relationship to a car or your comics. or your girlfriend. but thats another story. it appears to me that effectiveness mostly cuts down the fun. one of the best parties ive ever played was an all-warrior party. 2 sliths (pole), 2 nephils (melee). all have bows, lore etc blabla, which adds up really well. as a variant, all had priest lvl 1 and mage lvl 3, but healing, curing, blessing, light and hasting. of course thats problematic later, without diving restoration and divine warrior, but there you go. edit: btw, what the hell is up with the poll? the numbers on the second questions cant be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 On the second question, voters were allowed to vote for as many options as they wanted. That's why the numbers are so odd. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Rent-an-Ihrno Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 oh. hm. that makes sense. i found the thought of having other chars than custom ones so ridiculous i didnt think the thing through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 For me, it varies a lot. In A1 and A2, I like 2 chars. In A3, BoA, and A4, I haven't really mastered the art of having anything but 4. I've tried 3 in various configurations, but to no good effect. I've never really tried 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Wadge Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Hi. I wanna try playing Avernum with only one custom character (à la Elder Scrolls series) but I can't quite figure out how to make a viable one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Wadge:Hi. I wanna try playing Avernum with only one custom character (à la Elder Scrolls series) but I can't quite figure out how to make a viable one. Your best bet would be to give that character the Natural Mage and Strong Will traits. Because the last thing you need is one easily-encumbered spellcaster with a tendency to get paralyzed. Generally speaking, when you play with just one character, you get a lot of experience really quickly, and then it levels off after a while. So you should be able to reach a stable character build pretty quickly. Oh, and if you want to learn more, I'd advise using the Search function on the boards and entering 'singleton'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I prefer 4 custom people. That way, I have an easier time training them the way I like them; I train all 4 to be both priests and mages. It's expensive, I know, but worth it, especially towards the endgame. I also give all 4 the "Natural Mage" trait, making their spells inherently more powerful at the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Archmagus Micael Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I prefer 4 customs. A Fighter-Priest, an Archer Mage, a Cleric-Mage, and a Mage-Cleric. Add in Divine Touch on all of them, give the fighter Elite Warrior, the Archer Beastmaster, and the Mage/Clerics Natural Mage... For some weird reason they just don't get close enough to me to really hurt... Can't imagine why though . - Archmagus Micael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 -X- usually has four Slithzerikai, two are Spearmen who morph into Spearmen / minor Priests (One of the spearmen is a miniscule Mage as well), A Cleric / Useful Skill person. And a Mage / Archer. -X- also occaisonally has a party of four pure Archers And, even rarer, a singleton Mage. Once, -X- tried a lone warrior, but needed those multiple target / area of effect spells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Avernum 1 limits your characters to level 40. So you can easily reach that point as a singleton before getting halfway through the game. Most parties with 4 never encounter that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 I always take the characters I'm given, changing only names, appearances and race to make sure I have at least one of each race. Then I just character editor the hell out of them all. I never lose. So... this topic was successfully resurrected? Come on oldbies, I would have thought you'd jump at the chance to scold whoever for posting here two months late! Don’t you thrive on that kind of thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:Then I just character editor the hell out of them all. I never lose. Hm... not really something to be proud of. Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:So... this topic was successfully resurrected? Come on oldbies, I would have thought you'd jump at the chance to scold whoever for posting here two months late! Don’t you thrive on that kind of thing? Well, you see... it was revived by someone who had an actual question. Granted, some people failed to pick up on this and started the topic back up again... but it seems to have the elements of a discussion again. But yes, you're right. Bad newbies. Bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Ephesos: Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar: Then I just character editor the hell out of them all. I never lose. Hm... not really something to be proud of. Bet I had just as much, if not more fun than you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tyranicus. Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Gah! I thought this was a new topic until I read one of my own posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:Bet I had just as much, if not more fun than you did. Ah, but I bet you spent less time having just as much fun as me. Thus, I come out ahead by spending more time with said fun, assuming a fairly constant rate of fun per time unit when compared between our playing styles. As your sig says, "You Lose." Quote: Originally written by Tyranicus.:Gah! I thought this was a new topic until I read one of my own posts. I hate that realization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Originally by Tyranicus: Quote: Gah! I thought this was a new topic until I read one of my own posts. Dikiyoba had the opposite problem, actually. Dikiyoba realized it was an old topic and that Dikiyoba had posted in it, but Dikiyoba couldn't find Dikiyoba's post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Wadge Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Thanks. Before I forget : I'm french, give me a break A good willing french newbie to whom the word "singleton" wouldn't have been a fisrt choice as an entry in the search engine (even though as I browse through the previous posts right now I see Randomizer used the term). As Rent-an-Ihrno said, I find it difficult to care for a party of four. Plus I'd rather have one weak character going stronger and stronger (again, à la Elder scrolls) than four characters that constantly have to rely on each other. However I've played Avernum some time ago with four characters and I had troubles staying alive while encountering foes so I had to ask for strong tips if I was to play with only one guy (one girl actually). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Micawber Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Bah, don't apologise, the search function is pretty useless at the best of times. Not only that, but since a certain recent piece of sabotage, searches have become even less reliable. Also, you do get a certain amount of credit for being French. In fact the genius combination of croissant and coffee for breakfast gives you a LOT of credit in my book. Mmm, croissants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Wadge:Before I forget : I'm french, give me a break A good willing french newbie to whom the word "singleton" wouldn't have been a fisrt choice as an entry in the search engine (even though as I browse through the previous posts right now I see Randomizer used the term). Completely understandable. I actually didn't know the term when I first started playing, either. Yay for people who post more than once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:So... this topic was successfully resurrected? Come on oldbies, I would have thought you'd jump at the chance to scold whoever for posting here two months late! Don’t you thrive on that kind of thing? The rule, which you, in your infinite wisdom, have not grasped, is the following (and it bears repeating every now and then): it is generally considered bad manners to revive a topic without anything genuinely new and useful to add or ask. This person did in fact have something genuinely new and useful to ask (sort of), so this topic revival was fine. Woe betide those who virtually never have anything useful to say, though (and you know who you are). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Ephesos: As your sig says, "You Lose." I never lose! Contemplate this: while you were still playing Avernum, I cheated, got done early, and moved on to other, equally fun games. So really, we may have had the same amount of fun, but I had the more well rounded gaming experience. Thus, I come out on top, I am the Emperor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 That's assuming equal fun per time. I'll accept that assumption since it's too subjective to argue, but then there's another problem. You're getting less time per game, so you're actually paying more per unit of fun. —Alorael, who gets more fun per time, more time per game, and more game per fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Wadge Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Archimandrite Micawber:Also, you do get a certain amount of credit for being French. In fact the genius combination of croissant and coffee for breakfast gives you a LOT of credit in my book. Mmm, croissants. Actually I shy away from butter-based bakery. Makes me fart so bad. I got my ass whooped yesterday by 5 or 7 bandits and 2 giant lizards while heading north from fort duvno so a party of four sounds more and more appealing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Kryten Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Just a question, that is slightly related, has any one ever made a singleton with only luck (not counting the skills you get for free [herb finding] or the ones you can buy [bMaster, Anatomy etc.])? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Kryten:Just a question, that is slightly related, has any one ever made a singleton with only luck (not counting the skills you get for free [herb finding] or the ones you can buy [bMaster, Anatomy etc.])? This would be much more fun in Exile, where high luck can make you practically invincible. It'd be fairly easy to start a PC out with 5 luck (giving him a better than even chance of escaping death) and still have him be reasonably effective in combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Andraste Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Oh God. Luck. I remember one time in Exile III, I was playing a singleton with maxed out luck. Then I drank a potion of paralysis. I waited almost 20 minuets before my character finally died. I was using a very old Mac at the time so Ctrl Alt Del wasen't an option. Oh, the agony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 So in actual fact, despite all that Luck you had no luck at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Andraste Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 No, I didn't. Whay did I click on that! I lost part of my life! It makes me want to cry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 There has always been apple-option-escape. Sure, it had a better than even chance of causing calamitous freezing, but it was an option. —Alorael, who wishes BoE monsters had Luck. Nothing says fun encounters like Doomguards that don't die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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