Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Heres for all those people who play ALL the spidweb games. If you put all your extremely leveled characters from all exile games facing all your super powerful shapers/guardians/agents from all the geneforges, who do you think would win that fight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 A G1 Geneforge user could steamroll just about any opposition in their path, no contest. Plus, it's made quite explicit that Avernum/Exile is a magic-poor area, without that many magic or enchanted items, whereas Geneforge has magic all over the place in a vast variety of forms and functions, making it was more tactically complex and more useful in combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Exile all the way. Too many over powering spells like Divine Warrior to give you extra actions and immune to damage, Shockwave and Divine Thud to crush your foes before those silly Geneforge creations can even close to hurt you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Forging creatures from essence imitates god. The Avatar prayer turns the PC into a god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Exile would win, no doubt. They have the ability to be immune to damage and then set the whole place on fire. I think that would be enough to win any fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 I know, like, throw some quick fire, make enough force barriers to fill a valley, and make a break for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Let's see. Exile characters can be literally immune to damage with high enough Blessing, AND have only a 1 in 101 chance of dying when killed, just from stats alone. Geneforge characters can shape, but will have no more than 7 allies. Exile characters can summon demons, archmages and vahnatai who will summon more creatures ad naseum; or they can just summon an ur-basilisk, the traditional, petrifying kind, and win outright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 So there we go. Exile wins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Not if I make atleast five more profiles and click geneforge on each of them. Naw, Im not evil enough to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Originally Posted By: Flame Fiend So there we go. Exile wins! n=7 is hardly an appropriate sample size for a poll o a forum with thousands of registered members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 7? I don't see any seven. And I was referring to how Geneforge characters don't stand a chance against Exile's ridiculously powerful spells 'n stuff mentioned by Slarty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 By a consideration of mechanics, characters in Exile can get much, much more powerful. Sanctuary can make all those shaped critters irrelevant. Avatar can make them dead. Mass Charm can make them an asset to the Exile team. And there's the simple problem of math. There are six Exiles against one shaper. Creations just aren't as strong as PCs. By analysis of worlds, I think the edge still goes to Exile. Rentar-Ihrno showed that something like shaping is possible on a massive scale, but Exile also has teleportation, quickfire, magic barriers, an immense variety of buffs, the ability to summon creatures that summon more creatures that summon more creatures, doomguards... Magic is simply more powerful in Exile. —Alorael, who thinks the Shapers conquered their world because they had a monopoly on the kind of magic that produces armies. The Empire conquered its world by having armies and very impressive arcane might on top of it. But it's also worth considering how powerful people get. Erika, Rentar, and Garzahd are examples of extraordinarily powerful individuals. The powers of Geneforge are groups, not individuals; even Ghaldring relies on his allies. The Geneforge 1 PC can conquer the world by becoming a kind of Erika. Erika, in contrast, was defeated and banished by Erika-like mages in numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I am number 11 to fill out the poll, I've heard that there's between 50-100 regulars around there, and 20%-10% seems like a pretty good sample size, especially when compared to these 'national' political polls which don't even come close to 1% of the voting population... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Mistb0rn Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Exile, no question. Especially if Blades is counted; my singleton could take on any shaper, any day! :-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 In Exile it's possible to summon vampires who end up summoning other vampires. I don't think Geneforge creatures can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: Excalibur In Exile it's possible to summon vampires who end up summoning other vampires. That's actually just an Avernum thing. Vampires aren't summonable in Exile, and in fact anything that has even low-level mage spells is only summonable by the strongest summoning magic, presumably to prevent exactly that kind of summoning chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: Lilith Originally Posted By: Excalibur In Exile it's possible to summon vampires who end up summoning other vampires. That's actually just an Avernum thing. Vampires aren't summonable in Exile, and in fact anything that has even low-level mage spells is only summonable by the strongest summoning magic, presumably to prevent exactly that kind of summoning chain. I beg to differ. Capture Soul/Simulacrum. I'm all for Exile, so many spell choices, and many powerful ones at that. Even some of the more weaker ones can take care of the creations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: Cairo Jim I beg to differ. Capture Soul/Simulacrum. they still can't summon other vampires, which was the point i was making also there are way better things to use a soul crystal slot on than a vampire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 You did mention that you couldnt summon a vampire, which I was arguing against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: Cairo Jim You did mention that you couldnt summon a vampire, which I was arguing against. I said they weren't summonable, not that you couldn't summon them. Each monster type has a parameter to determine whether they can be summoned by summoning spells, and if so, which summoning spells can summon them. This doesn't affect Capture Soul, which uses a different system to determine its success, making it possible for Simulacrum to summon non-summonable monsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 But you have to relize that all of your characters use the geneforge, except for maybe one or two, and then they also know all these usefull spells too, like, lightning aura, and icebolt, and they can make like, six seven war tralls or drakons each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, shaper servile. But you have to relize that all of your characters use the geneforge, except for maybe one or two, and then they also know all these usefull spells too, like, lightning aura, and icebolt, and they can make like, six seven war tralls or drakons each. Yes, but Exile has Quickfire, Shockwave, Wall of Blades, Avatar, Divine Thud, Major Summoning, CS/Simulacrum, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 If you don't like the vampire example, demons can DEFINITELY summon other demons in Exile and repeat indefinitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: HOUSE of S If you don't like the vampire example, demons can DEFINITELY summon other demons in Exile and repeat indefinitely. Nuh-uh! Daemon is a level 6 mage spell, Demons have level 5 magic. So unless your in BoE and the designer deliberately changes their magic to level 6, that chain isn't really possible. EDIT: Well, unless you meant Demons summoning Hordlings. But that chain isn't a long one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I'm 100% sure I remember Demons summoning Demons on occasion, not just Hordlings. I think the issue is that Demons can be summoned by Summoning, which is a level 5 mage spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I don't know about the Trilogy, but BoE has Demons default setting as "No Summon". But there's always the 'ol wizard that summons stuff that summons stuff. And also, Imps are a Major Summon. They're level 7, and Demons are level 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: HOUSE of S I'm 100% sure I remember Demons summoning Demons on occasion, not just Hordlings. I think the issue is that Demons can be summoned by Summoning, which is a level 5 mage spell. sorry but i think this is a thing you're remembering from Avernum, not Exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Impossible: I never played any of the first Avernum trilogy games long enough to cast Daemon -- which doesn't even exist in Avernum, does it? Anyway, maybe this is something that changed between E2 and E3. I know that monster spells were seriously revamped between E1 and E2, as if you look at monster stats in E1, even Erika and Grah-Hoth are listed as having just 5 skill in mage and priest, spells despite having access to upper level spells when in combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 In Avernum it was Arcane Summon with a chance of getting a daemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Originally Posted By: HOUSE of S Impossible: I never played any of the first Avernum trilogy games long enough to cast Daemon -- which doesn't even exist in Avernum, does it? it doesn't, but Arcane Summon can summon demons in BoA and they can pull the same summon-chain trick as vampires i will remain unconvinced that there is an Exile game in which demons can summon demons until somebody provides screenshots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Andraste Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Demons can totally summon other demons in one of the Exile games. Probably 3 because that's the one I've played the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 Im going to test that out. I can cast daemon, so Ill get back to you in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Thank you Andraste! It might be 3. I was going to say probably 2, as that's the one I've played the most. So maybe it's both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 To busy getting catapulted by spells in a vhanatai surface tower. Ill try later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 hey trenton i see you got tired of being a serville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 I have tried for quite a while with about 3 summoned demons in a fight, and none of them summoned a demon. I reloaded about fifety times retrying this and they infact do not. Yes, I feel that Dragon lord would be much more...Exciting. FEAR ME SULFRAS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton the dragon lord Yes, I feel that Dragon lord would be much more...Exciting. FEAR ME SULFRAS! Sulfras was an avatar. Do you avatar? (That was one of my most favorite spells.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 I over-abuse avatar. No matter what fight I get into I break out avatar atleast twice. I love the extra damage and the tripled moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 "The Mad Monk Squad put their right hands together, and with one voice they shouted 'Avatar'! They rushed into the room spamming Divine Thuds on the dervishes, and Null Magic fields on the Rakshasi. The fighter/priests then charged with flaming blades and singing swords to thrash their foe, the strongest one taking on Garzahd himself. The three mage/priests continued the barrage of Thuds with a Field of Blades for effect, all the while keeping the Rakshasi helpless with fields of Nullity. It was a bloody mess, but then again, this form of cleaning house always is." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 God harehunter, are you an author? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Micawber Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton the dragon lord God harehunter Now that's a promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Sullust Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 <Geneforge> must clean webs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 Originally Posted By: Micawber Now that's a promotion. What are you talking about promotions? I don't have a job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Originally Posted By: Micawber Originally Posted By: Trenton the dragon lord God harehunter Now that's a promotion. !!!Yike's!!! I don't need that kind of promotion. I'm already a Database Administrator. Originally Posted By: Trenton the dragon lord God harehunter, are you an author? Only in little snippets. This little dream sequence was the finale to Exile II, Crystal Souls. Unfortunately, my pun is mightier than my pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 But the pen is mightier than the sword. Are you saying that the pun is mightier than the sword? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton the dragon lord But the pen is mightier than the sword. Are you saying that the pun is mightier than the sword? No, but the pun is mightier than the fart. It's a great way to clear the conference room after a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 Oh now thats just nasty Harehunter. Have you ever thought of going on comedy central? because every time I read one of your posts I start bawling with laughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Unfortunately, I am only an amateur. Almost all of the stuff I come up with is context based only; spur of the moment stuff. It is difficult to relate a pun after the fact. You have to retell all the stuff leading up to it so you can rebuild the context. I prefer the hit and pun approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 SEE? Hit and pun. These are actually quite funny. And I seriously wonder why your blamed for all bad jokes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton the dragon lord SEE? Hit and pun. These are actually quite funny. And I seriously wonder why you're blamed for all bad jokes? FYT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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