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How do you like your creations? Temp or Perm?
Sleeping Dragon replied to Evnissyen's topic in Geneforge Series
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How do you like your creations? Temp or Perm?
Sleeping Dragon replied to Evnissyen's topic in Geneforge Series
Originally Posted By: Goldenking Temporary and permanent are so subjective. Oh, I just thought he was asking if we used any of the charged creations that literally only last a short time. That's not so subjective, and my answer is no. If we're talking about how long we keep permanent creations before replacing them, I upgrade as soon as I get new skills, simply because it gets boring looking at the same creation for a whole game. I like variety. -
I always imagined a hell-like plane that had just as many demons living on it as there are people on earth. Makes you wonder why demons never think to summon humans to fight in their hell battles alongside them.
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Originally Posted By: The Ratt See that's why I never found him, I try to avoid drunkards as much as possible. True adventurers know random drunkards is where all the real money is.
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That would suggest humans evolved apart from shaping itself and are not a product of it, unless the Sholai forgot about shaping for some reason. What about the big Geneforge 1 secret makes people think serviles and humans are related? Why does everyone infer this?
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Before you do that, you might just want to try to dig up one of the old wiki threads. I believe it has been discussed before.
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Hmm, if there were some peaceful endings and some tragic endings, that would basically be Jeff revealing which sides he believes are the better ones. My guess would be that each ending will have it's own problems, while still providing some satisfaction for those that believed in the faction whose ideology they won with. Of course, they can still always be the "you missed something important so you now you die and the world remains in chaos" endings.
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Sorry Hydro! Hmm, weren't there plans for an actual Geneforge wiki at some point?
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Ah, so you're assuming you have the tactical advantage of being far away while your drakons are closer to him. Seems a bit unfair, but then you would need that advantage, wouldn't you? If all things were equal and he could hit you off the bat, you might be in trouble. Then again, I'm a fan of shapers myself. I've just noticed how all the really hardcore players here seem to use agents, implying that they are the best out there. Edit: Oops, didn't see the second page, my comment was directed at Omen. Edit 2: Hydro, I think shapers are only the easiest because you can trick the AI into fighting the creations. To use a Warcraft analogy (because I know you like it ) in pvp players would skip the pets and go right for the hunter/warlock.
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A human geneforge, of course, not another drakon one. Their geneforge seems a bit less effective than the original one anyway. Maybe a servile geneforge...
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Hmm, I don't play agents much, but could a skilled agent not daze the creations and dump all their offensive powers directly on the shaper? A PC would not concentrate on the drakons so much as an AI would, after all, if the shaper dies, it's over.
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Originally Posted By: Gandalf the Purple Plus, there is a geneforge in every game, hence the series title Geneforge. Yes, though sometimes I wish the geneforge itself would take center stage again like it did in the first game.
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Originally Posted By: Thuryl If you coddle people who post that kind of nonsense, you're only going to get more of the same. It was not nonsense. I saw a legitimate discussion on creation strength, using in-game statistics and experiences (same stuff like you were posting). The only difference between them and you was that they were very proud of what they had accomplished (when you can get excited about such things, it is a sign of a truly great game). I also found the discussion interesting, so yes, I will coddle them, because I would like more of the same.
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A lot would depend on which one went first. Who put more points into quick action? And Thuryl, I think your posts have been consistently rude, you should be more considerate of others.
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Well, only one of the above was able to start a Rebellion against their creators. Drakons are not only extremely powerful, but unlike other power creations such as the ones listed, they are able to organize effectively. Eyebeasts and Rotghroths and such tend to either hide in a cave or attack the whole world by themselves. The only other creation able to organize like a drakon would be serviles, but they are not nearly as powerful. Drakons are indeed the 'greatest' creation ever made.
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I don't think anyone was denying that, Slarty. We were simply discussing whether canisters add new genes or modify existing ones. I was comparing regular forges (enchanted anvils) with Geneforges. Sorry for the confusion.
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Just look at forges as they are used in the game, Hydromedia. You quite often us a completed object (such as a sword) and add something new to it (such as a golden crystal). The new part gives the weapon new abilities. I imagine it's more like that.
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I'm pretty sure canisters add DNA, not replace it. I believe every single gene we have now is essential for us staying alive, so you can't just have some of them start to go away, otherwise people would die from canisters, a lot. And I'm pretty sure there's no problem with adding genes, since there are probably animals out there with more chromosomes than we have (I know some have less). The problem would lie in canister construction. If someone makes a bad canister, or the genes that it adds don't line up properly with the genes a specific person has, damage could occur. Also, since there are many canisters made by many different people, it could be that they don't work so well with one another. After all, working with something as important as genes would require immaculate precision, and they seem to let just anybody make canisters these days.
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That is indeed the case for many people. Master Hodge actually began to fall apart due to canister use. There was also that poor girl that used the geneforge before you in Geneforge 4 that went insane right away. There are certainly hazards to using gene-altering devices. Though it is interesting to note that no one has ever died from it, aside from trying to use a geneforge twice.
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Originally Posted By: Thuryl Real powergamers play both sides against each other for as long as possible. You can't be a power-gaming purist?
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The happy ending is not canon, so I never really went back for it. It was nice for Spiderweb to include an alternate ending, but kind of uncharacteristic of the Avernum series.
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Well, it is asking which one you prefer. And your opinion on which is the best would be more valuable than others since you have actually played multiple classes. Edit: I don't power-game, I play the game for enjoyment, even though I apparently authored a sort of power-gaming thread in Avernum's strategy central. I suppose I am a completionist... is that the same thing?
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Originally Posted By: Evnissyen the Drakons only managed to develop their own version of the Geneforge in G3. They made their first geneforge in Geneforge 2. Ghaldring seems, however, to be the only Taker survivor from those games and what, if any, connection he had with their geneforge is unknown. It may have never been completed (you complete it yourself if you are a Taker) or he may have been to young to use it (he is described as 'growing' in the end of Geneforge 2). Technically, a geneforge is just a formula for a stronger being that rewrites its user to be that being. Ghaldring may have been the same formula they would have used for a geneforge, just created directly... if any of that makes sense to you guys. I love thinking about the science behind these games.
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But Barzahl himself had four drayks guarding him in his throne room.
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Oh, whew, I thought he was talking about members that support their genocide. The Shapers are the only faction that supports it, I believe. The Barzites would probably like to keep them around for slaves.
