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11 hours ago, Vinlie said:

. This topic intrigues me and despite finishing G4 for probably the 20th time, I'd replay it and mark down...

I loved GF4, my favorite GF game from GF2-5. (I wait the remake for GF1). But I play these games for the story mostly, not the battles. The battles I see as piecemeal entertainment as I slowly grab the story. Thus, I don't see much value in playing in Torment (or optimizing). 

However, despite me liking GF4 more than GF5, I have played it just twice and that was years ago. As mentioned, what mainly entertains me is the story and "the new stuff". 

I hope these games get "updated" too, or have story content added. 

You may agree, disagree or even strongly disagree with Khyrik's view on shaping but I think everyone agrees on one thing: He wasn't a butthole. 

Well, if we go for major spoilers into Geneforge 5 Trakovites... 

2 hours ago, Vinlie said:

It's kind of inconsistent with G4's story because in the Fens, Greta sends you to rescue Khyryk, claiming it would be nice to see a friendly face, which wouldn't be the case because in order to be accepted into the rebels ranks, he must die. 

I don't recall that. After all, Litalia is strictly anti-Trakovite in GF4 and gives you missions to go kill the trakovite Drayk that harms nobody.
PS. I won't give major spoilers over GF5 in case someone that reads that hasn't played through GF4-5. 

On 4/18/2020 at 3:12 PM, Blxz said:

 I'm beginning to realise I really only like the Geneforge series and certainly not for the mechanics of the game. 

To be fair, finding canisters abandoned in many zones simply feels wrong... they are too valuable to just be left in a random room or ruined building in the open. Once or twice, perhaps. Found locked and guarded after the Lifecrafter died/forced to flee, perhaps. But finding them by the dozen feels a bit too gamey. 

In that GF3 encounter, if memory serves, you break down the Artilla to essence, that I assume dissipates. 

On the contrary, dear sir, I would say that using android is lazy. You can carry around a serious computer. 🙂

Yeap.

Soooo... wingbolts don't suck after all? 

There's certainly something wrong with 3000 hp Wingbolts. Yes, they are powerful but they are not that tough. 

PS. Cryodrayks? I am not sure they're worth the cost. 

PPS. Welcome and stay strong for the Rebellion. 

14 hours ago, Enraged Slith said:

 

I believe that’s why Jeff included surrogates for the PC’s internal monologue. You start as a Shaper without there ever being any reason to question the institution you serve until you’re faced with the reality that someone hates it enough to murder your classmates. The rebels are crazy, but the Shapers aren’t great either. What I wound up enjoying about GF3 most was being pidgeon-holed into different extremes. It’s a perspective I missed in GF4, which doesn’t really pose any difficult questions to the player or face them with the harsh ramifications of the conflict (or their choices).

The Shapers are very bad in GF3 too... but you start as a Shaper. You have joined them, you're in the school (being routinely tortured and beaten) when the rebels kill your classmates. 

For me it was very similar to GF4. The Rebels are bad … but you start as a Rebel. You joined them, you're heading to Southforge (to be mutated and perhaps survive as an insta-shaper) when the Shapers show up with Tier-4 creations and kill the people you traveled with for months. 

While I would agree that GF3 is the weakest link, it is still good. IMO It is close to GF2 in enjoyment. Yes, island hopping is meh and there is no strong case to join the Rebellion other than "oh... those guys seem to be winning and got us Shapers with the pants down. Let's join them, I guess." 

I don't expect that to dramatically change though. In GF3 you start in the school. Your classmates are killed in their sleep. How the rebels can recover from that in the Main Character's eyes and convince him/her to join is beyond me. 

Awesome. From what we've seen so far, I believe there are be many different things, including subtle changes to the story. 

54 minutes ago, Lady Antji said:

Need $463 more for 75k goal

How long to go?! You can't share that kind of news without that part? Please tell me there are 2-3 days more at least for one final push? 

Another thing I just noticed is that Stealth became finally a generic skill, we have an "Essence mastery" skill, parry was changed to evasion and that luck is gone. 

Shaping seems to be a whole lot more costly; the Shaper has to cough up 4 skill points to get +1 shaping, although this may change. Regardless, I would agree with Shaping being much more expensive than it was (i.e. 4/6/8 costs). It makes much more sense since it's a very powerful skill. I also agree with Essence Mastery being different than intellect. 

Please tell your friends! I would really like more from GF1, like a new creation and more quests. 

I have pledged what is for me (I am not well paid...) 6 visits to the café with friends. 

I want Fyoras to be smaller... 

It's what I have been waiting for the past few years. I haven't played Geneforge 1 because of the ancient engine. I have played GF2 to GF5 and many are telling me I miss out. 

After all, I am the guy that calls GF1-2 "Prequels" to the "main" GF theme, the great Rebellion.

Calling Monarch a "Shaper" is a great misnomer. Sure, sure, the guys there also call him "Shaper Monarch" but it is as strange as calling Ghaldring a philanthropist. 😛

In the four geneforge games I've played, with many Shapers away from "Shaper dogma" I have never seen someone as removed from Shaper dogma as the Monarch was. The man is completely bonkers. 
"I can create life that suits me. So I will kill everything else that I have not made, by a horde of monsters relying on a stick to protect me." + Self-shaping + Creations that can mass-shape creations + mindless serviles.

I don't think there was a single rule in the book - or a single rule of common sense - that Monarch didn't break. 

I was never fond of the way the Shapers treated Serviles, but the way Monarch Shaped serviles to be practically drones was shocking.  

Yes, and join the right side. 
Down with the Shaper Tyranny! Vila la Revolution Rebellion. 

And then, join the humans instead the Drakons. Down with the Drakon wannaby Tyranny! Yes, they are better than the Shapers* but not better enough. 

*As in, they don't seem to give a damn what the lesser races do on their own, they do their thing, they may need to sacrifice a few pawns, but generally, the others can go jump off a cliff as far as the Drakons are concerned. 

Who ran and left two cannisters hanging around? I wonder, if they didn't want them why did they store them?

5 hours ago, Chopkinsca said:

 I know one choice I made actually made me a bit sick after doing it. 

So, you betrayed the Rebellion for the $$$$ the Shapers tempted you with, didn't you? After seeing how they treat the Serviles and how their huge creations zapped your fellow boat-arrivals in the first zone. 
I couldn't really do it in GF4. I couldn't join the Shapers. I did what's required in the end to get the lame last-moment-Shaper ending that is not a good ending but in general, I couldn't betray the rebellion deeply. BUT I could find it within me to do minor betrayals of the Rebellion as I did immediately after the Monarch quest. No spoilers. 

Ahhh... the Fens. 

•  I also found that place frustrating
• I think it's frustrating by design
•  Endless rogues are frustrating to both the Rebels and the Shapers, in fact they're so frustrating that they decided to stop fighting each other and fight the Monarch over it. 

There's a mechanics cannister? O_O

Hi there, I am trying to run Geneforge 5 from steam in windows 10, 1920 x 1080, but I encounter severe problems. Namely, whether I use 1920x1080 or 1024 x 768 display the game cuts the upper, lower and peripheral parts of the screen, unless I play in a clunky window mode. 
That means I can't see the creations, the bar and half the minimap unless I use window mode. 

Geneforge 4 gives me the same. 

I have used steam GF games in the past from a different, smaller computer and I didn't have any problem at all. I may I have used GF in this computer like 6-7 months ago, also without problems. 

What could be the problem? Any solutions?

On 10/30/2019 at 9:47 AM, BloomingLilac said:

 

I can't remember my character's level in G3, but some monsters were only giving one experience. I just got to the third island.

 

In G5, I'm getting 18-25 with the same amount of creatures at around level 23 or 24.

 

I like those blue stinging clawbugs in G5.  Will I ever be able to create them?

Nope. Not without a mod. Buuuuut... it's easy to make them with a mod.

You simply replace the Plated Clawbug for the PC with those clawbugs or if you want more balance, the battle-alphas which cost more and are meh creations in GF5.

It works mostly like this: The cost for the creations are "locked", I haven't found a way to change them. I.e. the "2nd battle creation, upgraded" will always cost the same whether you have the Stinging clawbug there or the Plated one. Which means that if you put the much more powerful Stinging Clawbug there, you get a very powerful creation, very cheaply. That's why I suggest replacing the Battle Alphas instead - the cost is more balanced and you won't end up with a party of 3 Stinging Clawbugs and 4 Vlish till you get Gazers and Wartralls. 

If you opt to replace the Plated Clawbug with the stinging blue ones, the game will be skewed in your favor. If you opt to replace the Battle Alphas, you will be buying points and stuff for Battle Alphas but you would be making Stinging Clawbugs. 
Unfortunately I cannot walk you through it now, but in the near future I will if you're interested. It is very simple. 

G5 is a very very solid game. 
Self-promotion: And if you want more from GF5, you can try my mods. 🙂