Articulate Vlish Dark Minnion Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Which Sect Do U Prefer To Win ... Rebels Or Shapers (trakovites) ( my english isn't very good :s ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Why did you put the Trakovites in parentheses? Oh well, I would think that the shaper's should win, were it not for the fact that they have been relaxing their strict rules and becoming more like the rebels. I don't care if they have to to survive, I like them for their principles. The world could be in pretty bad shape if what the rebels are doing RIGHT NOW continues. The shaper's strict rule was supposed to stop this very behavior! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 These topics are getting redundant... It has already been decided who won to set the stage for G5. Though I have no idea who I want to win. Trakovites are hopeless, Drakon Rebels are stupid in one way (even though they are smart in everything else), and the Shapers will eventually cause another war to happen. I don't care who wins in G4 as long as it makes a faction in G5 happen that will set everything right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Oh no, not again. I'll see if I can stay out of this one... Lets keep fingers crossed, here... It's no secret that, unless the Awakened are in the picture, I throw my full support behind the Shapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I usually take the Trakovite ending, not because I think it's a good idea (or even possible) to get rid of Shaping, but because I think it's the best option independent creations have for freedom. The Shapers will kill them if they win, and the drakons pushing for the unbound aren't much better. A stalemate may force one or both sides to change. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Originally Posted By: Iffy It has already been decided who won to set the stage for G5. Oh? what was decided? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I don't know which, but I know it has been decided. Haven't you noticed that Jeff is currently working on G5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 The Shapers, blah blah blah, greatest hope, blah blah blah, if only the Awakened were here, blah blah blah. Yeah, just read the old threads if you want Nalyd's stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Same for any member who has been here for over 3 months, there are WAY to many debates over G4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Not over GF4; over which side is right, has the moral highground, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 The debate goes back even longer to GF3. If you go back to GF1 you will see that all the sides had good points, but had a distinct tendency to leave bloody floors behind where the spies were last seen before you rat them out. Jeff really loves moral dilemmas so expect more with the formation of some new viewpoints in GF5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Brock The Archmage Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 no one necessarily won, could be a long, bloody, stalemate. EDIT: typo EDIT: I remember the debate when Lepus Timidus was still here burning up the boards. *shudder* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Originally Posted By: brock petersdorf-nelson no one necessarily won, could be a long, bloody, stalemate. EDIT: typo EDIT: I remember the debate when Lepus Timidus was still here burning up the boards. *shudder* Hehe. He was fun........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Didn't that one forum get to 17 pages before he was booted and it was shut down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Originally Posted By: **DONOTDELETE** Didn't that one forum get to 17 pages before he was booted and it was shut down? 7 pages, and yeah, things died down after he was banned and they made me stop flaming him. Even still, debates are fun. In a painful way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Ale193 Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Its a pity that the debate just sort of died like that; I had just come up with some really good metaphors to prove my point , only to find there wasn't even an argument going on anymore. Everyone just agreed that they wanted the awakened back and the Rebels would just end up destroying the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Most people seem to have been suckers for the Awakened, but actually I think G2 made it pretty clear that they weren't really what they thought they were, or what players wanted them to be. Learned Pinner and her nice humane bunch were weak and helpless, growing carrots in Medab and kidding themselves that they had a chance. The only real hope for survival for the Awakened was the power developed by demon-summoning Tuldaric and his drakon-enslaving 'Barrier of the Winds'. And he was obviously going down exactly the same road as the Takers and Barzahl, just a few steps behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 True, the Awakened were weak, but their philosophy is by far the best. Now that they've been destroyed, maybe this new incarnation will be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Nah, Jeff makes all the sects have flaws so you can't stomach them. At least GF5 starts off with a good reason to hate the first Shapers that you meet. But by the end of the demo you aren't too happy with the idiots that run the Rebels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity Most people seem to have been suckers for the Awakened, but actually I think G2 made it pretty clear that they weren't really what they thought they were, or what players wanted them to be. Learned Pinner and her nice humane bunch were weak and helpless, growing carrots in Medab and kidding themselves that they had a chance. The only real hope for survival for the Awakened was the power developed by demon-summoning Tuldaric and his drakon-enslaving 'Barrier of the Winds'. Weak? Helpless?! Have you even played the GF2 Awakened ending? The Awakened rip through the Shaper armies like rabid monkeys on a banana! Mind, they only fight defensively, but if anything, that's because they'd rather die than walk down the Takers' path. That said, Tuldaric is a bit nuts. But he's a right sight better than the Drakons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Mr.hollow_shell Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Even though i was for Awakened the first game i have gone for shapers because shapers ruling the world is better that the crazy drakons, or i guess my view has shifted from the game,i've played both sides and rebels, face it, have gone crazy with canisters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lyric Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Originally Posted By: Randomizer Nah, Jeff makes all the sects have flaws so you can't stomach them. At least GF5 starts off with a good reason to hate the first Shapers that you meet. But by the end of the demo you aren't too happy with the idiots that run the Rebels. so you begin in the rebel camp? i thought jeff said that peeps will choose between begining the game as either shapers or rebels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Ghaldring Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 SoT: Quote: drakon-enslaving 'Barrier of the Winds'. Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity Most people seem to have been suckers for the Awakened, but actually I think G2 made it pretty clear that they weren't really what they thought they were, or what players wanted them to be. Learned Pinner and her nice humane bunch were weak and helpless, growing carrots in Medab and kidding themselves that they had a chance. The only real hope for survival for the Awakened was the power developed by demon-summoning Tuldaric and his drakon-enslaving 'Barrier of the Winds'. And he was obviously going down exactly the same road as the Takers and Barzahl, just a few steps behind. The one advantage the Awakened had is that they still intended to stop. All they wanted were the Drypeak Mountains and enough power to defend them. The Takers and the Barzites didn't intend to stop; they were after more and more power. And it's clear the Shapers care so much about control and looking perfect to outsiders they can't stop either. So while there was absolutely no guarantee that the Awakened would stop, there's at least a chance, which is more than what the other sects offered. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Micawber Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 I absolutely agree with the green Fyora. The difference between the Barzite and Awakened endings in GF2 is pretty significant, and tells you a lot about their different philosophies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Ale193 Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 The Drakons in the barrier of the wind unlike the ones the takers made, were not shaped to be intelligent, the were essentially uber powerful fyoras with wings. Added to that, the begin philosophy of the awakened means that the drakons would have been well taken care of and treated humanely. Demons b their very nature are evil, so there's nothing wrong with enslaving them. Tuldaric was going a little loopy, but the rest of the faction could have reigned him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Ghaldring Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 The Drakon you have to remove from the Barrier of the Winds seems intelligent, if confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Ale193 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 The awakened's drakons would probably share the awakened's philosophy and would have no more objection to fighting than the normal soldiers. Besides, The Takers drakons seemed to positively love destroying stuff, why wouldn't the ones the awakened made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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