Garrulous Glaahk -x-OMEN-x- Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Choose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Ornks. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Well, only one of the above was able to start a Rebellion against their creators. Drakons are not only extremely powerful, but unlike other power creations such as the ones listed, they are able to organize effectively. Eyebeasts and Rotghroths and such tend to either hide in a cave or attack the whole world by themselves. The only other creation able to organize like a drakon would be serviles, but they are not nearly as powerful. Drakons are indeed the 'greatest' creation ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Evnissyen Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 It's only that Gazers/Eyebeasts are, by nature, insular creatures, whereas Drakons are social. Gazers are also, obviously, highly intelligent and conniving, not to mention just a little bit conceited. Neurotically so, I suppose. Maybe even psychotically? Well, at least sociopathically. Maybe the biggest difference is that, while the Drakons strive to dominate the world collectively, the Gazers are content to selfishly horde power and wealth. So... which is more intelligent? I'd say the Gazer. They're also more proud... and more delusional. Which is more powerful? I'm not sure. Gazers can fend for themselves and then some, while the Drakons prefer to rely on other Drakons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Goldengirl Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 It's obviously the Serviles. Then the Ornks. Think about it. You're starting a colony in the Forsaken Lands, would you rather have an army of death dealing Drakons, or enough Ornks and Serviles to keep your colony running? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Orks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Gandalf the Purple Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Serviles, definately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Hydromedia Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Gazers of course. If there was such thing as a maxed-out creation, a gazer could just stun and slow a maxed out ur-drakon to death. Gazers are also cool because of their hypnosis and control abilities over humans serviles and other creations. They also can see 360, and look pretty darn cool. I think a huge eye is more intimidating then the standard dragon monster. Intense fear is fear of the unknown friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Hydromedia Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Originally Posted By: Evnissyen It's only that Gazers/Eyebeasts are, by nature, insular creatures, whereas Drakons are social. Gazers are also, obviously, highly intelligent and conniving, not to mention just a little bit conceited. Neurotically so, I suppose. Maybe even psychotically? Well, at least sociopathically. Heh. Maybe I'm an insular, highly intelligent, conniving and conceited gamer. I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Evnissyen Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Hmm... . Perhaps Jeff meant the Gazer to be a sarcastic commentary on the typical player? "The Eyes are almighty! We see everything! Displease us at your peril! Ouch, you hurt the eyes!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Hydromedia Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 He's got me nailed down pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Aw, give the War Tralls some love. Not that Nalyd did. Hey, guess what we need? Enabled images. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Evnissyen Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I have no love for the War Trall, sorry. They're too dumb. Plus, what is that tumor all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 It's a pouch for their throwing stones. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Gandalf the Purple Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 No love for the tralls here either. Rotgroths(sp?) are still the king of the battle creation set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (The poll is bad, just so you know.) In terms of playing the game, I think wingbolts then drayks are the way to go. They're not too demanding on your essence if you have a good supply of it, and they can deal triple digits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Ale193 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Out of the creations on the ballot I'd pick the gazer/eyebeasts as they're my favorite in game. I haven't talked to enough gazers to physcoanalyze them but the fact they aren't trying to take over the world is a plus. but if I got to choose from any it'd be the ornks, Ornks rule!!! they should have their own faction. Imagine Ur-Ornks! in the first area of GF1 they can kill you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Gandalf the Purple Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Another Ur-Ornk lover! Read my location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Hey, what's with people agreeing with Dikiyoba? Now Dikiyoba has to change Dikiyoba's answer to flaming shrubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Ornks and Gazers, duh. Based solely on looks, no Idea which is best. Based on which creations I use, Gazers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Goldengirl Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba Hey, what's with people agreeing with Dikiyoba? Now Dikiyoba has to change Dikiyoba's answer to flaming shrubs. Turrets beat flaming shrubs any day. And the wiry trees aren't bad, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Gandalf the Purple Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I change my answer from serviles to Ur-Ornk Lords! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Hydromedia Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 And i change mine to humans. After all, are we not mere creations of the Holy One, Blessed be he, who deigned to grant us humble existence? Was it not he who blessed us all, to the last baton with life? All of us are creations friends, and... *looks around and sees no one is listening* ... I think I'll leave mine at Gazers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Janitorial Closet Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 ^Fail. Personally, I think the greatest creation is the servile. Dude, your own personal slave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 In the poll? Gazers. However, I've always been partial to Clawbugs, Rotgroths, and Wingbolts. All three are pretty effective (I've always found the Clawbug to level up well, Rotgroths have a freakishly powerful acid attack, and Wingbolts can annihilate anything that gets in their way). Additionally, I find that Gazers don't compare to a Wingbolt well in terms of essence efficiency, except maybe in melee. But then, I rarely take Wingbolts or Gazers into melee, so that's a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Originally Posted By: Hydromedia And i change mine to humans. After all, are we not mere creations of the Holy One, Blessed be he, who deigned to grant us humble existence? Was it not he who blessed us all, to the last baton with life? All of us are creations friends, and... *looks around and sees no one is listening* ... I think I'll leave mine at Gazers. Actually, it has been theorized (Courtesy of the Great Secret in G1) that humans and Serviles are nothing more than Shaping-altered versions of each other, and that there has been an ongoing cycle of Shaper-"Creation" Rebellions stretching far back into history. It is unknown which race was the original, or indeed if that race still survives in modern Geneforge times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Gandalf the Purple Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 I bet the shapers are just altered serviles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Going along that line, I think that Humans and Serviles are just altered Shapers from long ago, competing for the name of their gods, while the Shapers have actually become the Sholai. Edit: Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Gandalf the Purple Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Surely the Sholai would have some relic of shaping past if they were the original shapers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Yes, as far as we can tell, the Sholai have no knowledge of Shaping beyond what the Shapers have shown them. Nalyd doesn't think that they even have quite the same magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 That would suggest humans evolved apart from shaping itself and are not a product of it, unless the Sholai forgot about shaping for some reason. What about the big Geneforge 1 secret makes people think serviles and humans are related? Why does everyone infer this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Ale193 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Shapers are essentially normal humans who have learned how to shape, not a different species. Servile probably were originally shaped from or based on humans, possibly thads as well (though they may have been based on apes) just like roamers are based on dogs and the fyoras and drayks were based off lizards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Gandalf the Purple Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Originally Posted By: Ale193 Shapers are essentially normal humans who have learned how to shape, not a different species. Servile probably were originally shaped from or based on humans, possibly thads as well (though they may have been based on apes) just like roamers are based on dogs and the fyoras and drayks were based off lizards. Yeah, what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Well, the Sholai got smart and decided Shaping was too powerful and banned all practice, succeeding in wiping out the threat. They then forgot about Terrestia for many years, while the creations made there changed, adapted and eventually learned Shaping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Grimm Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 The Sholai shapers could have gotten mixed in a rebbelion of their own, thus springing out a rebel sect, a shaper sect, and a trakovite sect. But the Trakovites won the war, and obliterated any evidence of shaping. If this is true, then we've a pretty good idea where this rebellion is gonna end up. But wait, we've got some random shmoe who gets picked to fight in the war, turns to a demi-god over the next year, and then decides the fate of all humanity (on terrestria), thus breaking the cycle that has raged on for eons. On a side note: has anyone else found the Geneforge story to have some similarities to Johnathon Stroud's Bartimaeus Trilogy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Not much. Some of the mechanics are similar, like summoning demons/Shaping, but there wasn't any Great Secret in Stroud's work, and Nathaniel didn't really participate in the Revolution. It was more of an intrigue-focused trilogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Ale193 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 There were a few similarities, but not many significant ones. Excellent book series though, pity there won't be anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I was pleased that Stroud wound his series up neatly at three. For books it's definitely better to burn out than to fade away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Some things did go unexplained, though. Like how demons reproduce. What with all the magicians summoning them and blasting them to bits, you'd think they'd run out eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Goldengirl Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Originally Posted By: ~Nalyd~ Some things did go unexplained, though. Like how demons reproduce. What with all the magicians summoning them and blasting them to bits, you'd think they'd run out eventually. Just like eyebeasts and gazers reproduce, Nalyd. Very biologically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Never said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I always imagined a hell-like plane that had just as many demons living on it as there are people on earth. Makes you wonder why demons never think to summon humans to fight in their hell battles alongside them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Micawber Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Originally Posted By: Sleeping Dragon I always imagined a hell-like plane that had just as many demons living on it as there are people on earth. Makes you wonder why demons never think to summon humans to fight in their hell battles alongside them. That sounds like it might be the setting for a BoA scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Originally Posted By: Sleeping Dragon Makes you wonder why demons never think to summon humans to fight in their hell battles alongside them. Humans tend not to do so well when on fire. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Ale193 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 A trilogy is a good way to end one story, but I'd like to see another series set in the same world, preferably soon after the first series ended. Sorta like starwars or lord of the rings, both of which consist of one or more trilogies and assorted other books/movies, each of which completes its individual story but is part of a rich and larger universe. I think that series has the potential for that sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Evnissyen Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I thought demons were just dead humans who live in Hell but then wander back onto Earth once in a while to annoy people and perhaps make a few more dead residents. When they're 'killed' they just rematerialize in Hell. Thus the armies of Hell never shrink but only grow. One would think at some point the government of Heaven would become a little less picky with their immigration policy, what with that huge Hell Army crouched impatiently just below them. ...Either that or the Heaven God should stop making people who end up going to Hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Hydromedia Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Originally Posted By: ~Nalyd~ Some things did go unexplained, though. Like how demons reproduce. What with all the magicians summoning them and blasting them to bits, you'd think they'd run out eventually. Ever read the Bartimaeus trilogy? It theorizes that there is a plane with an indefinite amount of demons, something like a nether plane, where things almost like essence is. When you summon a demon you bind that essence into a corporeal form. They then would not have to reproduce, if there was an indefinite amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 . . . That's what we were just talking about, Hydro. And it never states that there is an indefinite amount of demons. Neither is there any mention of age, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Originally written by George Meredith: Quote: On a starr'd night Prince Lucifer uprose. Tired of his dark dominion swung the fiend Above the rolling ball in cloud part screen'd, Where sinners hugg'd their spectre of repose. Poor prey to his hot fit of pride were those. And now upon his western wing he lean'd, Now his huge bulk o'er Afric's sands careen'd, Now the black planet shadow'd Arctic snows. Soaring through wider zones that prick'd his scars With memory of the old revolt from Awe, He reach'd a middle height, and at the stars, Which are the brain of heaven, he look'd, and sank. Around the ancient track march'd, rank on rank, The army of unalterable law. 'Unalterable law' is hard to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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