Random Questions

[Lattan]

I just bought the trilogy, and have some random questions:

1) Is it possible to get an ending for G1 in which you rejoin the shapers (after destroying the Geneforge) where they don't distrust you? (ie, you don't get the "always wonder what might have been" thing). Similarly, is there a way to use the Geneforge without going insane?

2) I played G1 as a Shaper and just started G2 as a Guardian. The fyora I created at the beginning really sucks (he misses his shots as often as not, and I don't think that ever happened in G1). Is this because I'm a Guardian or because in G2 fyoras suck?

3) In G1 you can pause the game by hitting escape and then switch into some other applications. I haven't found a way to switch out of G2 yet; is there one?

 

Think that's it for now; thanks in advance for any answers.

[Nioca]

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1) Is it possible to get an ending for G1 in which you rejoin the shapers (after destroying the Geneforge) where they don't distrust you? (ie, you don't get the "always wonder what might have been" thing). Similarly, is there a way to use the Geneforge without going insane?

I think so, but I haven't played it in a while.

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2) I played G1 as a Shaper and just started G2 as a Guardian. The fyora I created at the beginning really sucks (he misses his shots as often as not, and I don't think that ever happened in G1). Is this because I'm a Guardian or because in G2 fyoras suck?

Both. Fyora, along with other creations, were going through a bit of re-balancing. Also, Guardians aren't as good as Shapers when it comes to making creations.

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3) In G1 you can pause the game by hitting escape and then switch into some other applications. I haven't found a way to switch out of G2 yet; is there one?

If you're on Windows and have a certain keyboard, you can hit the Windows key (It's the weird little key with the flag-like Windows thing on it.) and it will minimize GF2. It can take a while, though.

[Lattan]

Thanks!

I'm on OS X, though, so Windows stuff is not so helpful in that regard.

[Student of Trinity]

Guardians aren't so hot at creations, but the new skill they get in G2 is rather too good.

[Alberich]

SNM, I think the answer is "no." In GF 1, you pretty well have to be a canister junkie to get through the game, and learn things the shapers Would Rather Not Have Known. I remember that there was some threshold point where I noticed the "extra" effect of the canisters on myself, and it was pretty deep in the game, but there had simply been no question of limiting my use to keep myself, you know, un-blue. (Lots of canisters have an effect similar to the Geneforge, but not as marked.) If the canisters are meth, the geneforge is crack, only more so. That's the fundamental conflict the game creates for you - the awesome power those things give you comes at a heavy price to your humanity. The Awakened want you to save them - by becoming something that scares them.

 

In the later games, by contrast, you can keep your canister virginity and still win. My first time through, I always do that.

 

If you're playing G2, you'll have occasion to meet people who've used lots of canisters or undergone similar processes, and you can see for yourself how they are affected. I won't spoil the surprises by telling you more.

[Dikiyoba]

Dikiyoba will agree with Alberich on question one. Dikiyoba believes that someone went through the game without canisters and still got the same ending.

[Nioca]

Eh, it's been a long time since I played GF1.

[Randomizer]

I asked about GF1 during the summer and got the reply that Dikiyoba mentioned.

 

2) To improve a fyora you need a few levels of fire shaping before you make one. Otherwise you need to add essence to strength to have it hit more often and for more damage. You'll probably be better off waiting until Drypeak Warren (? )for training so you can get level 3 in fyora and make a cryoa instead.

[Dikiyoba]

Originally by Randomizer:

 

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You'll probably be better off waiting until Drypeak Warren (? )for training so you can get level 3 in fyora and make a cryoa instead.

Drypeak Warrens is correct.

 

If you train first and then use the spellbook, you can get level 4 in fyora. Dikiyoba doesn't know if it makes much (if any) difference in the long run, but Dikiyoba still likes to have it.

[Delicious Vlish]

Dexterity makes you hit more, strength makes you hit harder.

[Lattan]

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Dexterity makes you hit more, strength makes you hit harder.

Where did that come from?

Anyway, I get how the leveling system works, but thanks for that anyway. I've now played far enough that my Fyora is worth something.

Oh, and I knew I had another question: When I played the demos years ago I could have sworn I found a way to reload batons outside combat. Now the only way I can do it is in combat by using a turn. Help?

[Randomizer]

Batons reload automatically in combat. I think you could go into fight mode when there is nothing around and target something with it to get it to reload, and then hit escape to cancel.

[Delicious Vlish]

Er, sorry.

 

Advice for your Fyora. Strength for damage, dexterity to boost to hit values.

[Micawber]

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Originally written by Randomizer:
Batons reload automatically in combat. I think you could go into fight mode when there is nothing around and target something with it to get it to reload, and then hit escape to cancel.

I don't believe that works. When there is nothing around there is no one to target, so...

GF1 and GF2/3 differ in how batons reload. In GF1 you always lose an attack turn when you reload. In GF2/3 you still get to attack when you reload.

[The Mystic]

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Originally written by SNM:
1) Is it possible to get an ending for G1 in which you rejoin the shapers (after destroying the Geneforge) where they don't distrust you? (ie, you don't get the "always wonder what might have been" thing). Similarly, is there a way to use the Geneforge without going insane?
2) I played G1 as a Shaper and just started G2 as a Guardian. The fyora I created at the beginning really sucks (he misses his shots as often as not, and I don't think that ever happened in G1). Is this because I'm a Guardian or because in G2 fyoras suck?
3) In G1 you can pause the game by hitting escape and then switch into some other applications. I haven't found a way to switch out of G2 yet; is there one?

Think that's it for now; thanks in advance for any answers.

1) Yes, they can trust you if you don't use the Geneforge, and don't join any factions (and I think also if you kill Trajkov and Gottesch). And no, you'll always go insane if you use the Geneforge; I think I've found all possible endings, and there's no way around the insanity.

2) It's because you only know "Create Fyora" at level 1, and your fire shaping skill is probably level 1 also; therefore, your fyora will suck. Plus, the G2 creation engine is different from G1, so your fyora will suck for a longer period than in G1. There's nothing you really can do, except train in those skills to make stronger creations.

3) You don't need to pause to switch to other tasks; just hit alt-tab (works for me).

[The Mystic]

I hate to double-post, but I don't want to have to edit and create a single, massive reply.

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Originally written by Dikiyoba:

If you train first and then use the spellbook, you can get level 4 in fyora. Dikiyoba doesn't know if it makes much (if any) difference in the long run, but Dikiyoba still likes to have it.

I do that type of thing too.

 

It makes some difference, but not that much. Your fyoras will start off at a higher level, and therefore have slightly better combat stats.

 

By the way, I think you can also do the same thing in the demo with clawbugs (but only to level 3 in the ability).

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Originally written by Randomizer:

Batons reload automatically in combat. I think you could go into fight mode when there is nothing around and target something with it to get it to reload, and then hit escape to cancel.

Batons take an attack to reload in G1, and will also fire immediately afterwards in G2 & G3. What I do to reload in G1 (if I can't get to a friendly town) is go to an area with a neutral monster, and target it; otherwise (this applies to all Geneforge games), I just sell the empty baton and pick up a new one from the hoard I'll have collected by then.

[Lattan]

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1) Yes, they can trust you if you don't use the Geneforge, and don't join any factions (and I think also if you kill Trajkov and Gottesch). And no, you'll always go insane if you use the Geneforge; I think I've found all possible endings, and there's no way around the insanity.

Okay, thanks a lot. I appreciate that. Kinda sucks about the insanity, though. It makes me angry that Trajkov is a stronger man than my character.

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No wonder I was confused about the batons. I'd forgotten how much changed between G1 and G2.

[The Mystic]

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Okay, thanks a lot. I appreciate that. Kinda sucks about the insanity, though. It makes me angry that Trajkov is a stronger man than my character.

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No wonder I was confused about the batons. I'd forgotten how much changed between G1 and G2.

Actually, I think Trajkov is as insane as your character, maybe more; it just doesn't show as much in the game.

As for the batons, I prefer how they fire in G2 & G3, because they don't require you to use a full turn, like I said before.

[Micawber]

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Originally written by The Mystic:
Actually, I think Trajkov is as insane as your character, maybe more; it just doesn't show as much in the game.

Hmm, let's see, it doesn't show in the game. So basically, you have no grounds whatever to say that and you've made it up

Sorry, but I think the whole thing about Trajkov is that he is a stronger character than the PC; he can cope with the power of the Geneforge while you -- a mere apprentice -- cannot.

[The Mystic]

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Originally written by Micawber.:

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Originally written by The Mystic:
Actually, I think Trajkov is as insane as your character, maybe more; it just doesn't show as much in the game.

Hmm, let's see, it doesn't show in the game. So basically, you have no grounds whatever to say that and you've made it up

Sorry, but I think the whole thing about Trajkov is that he is a stronger character than the PC; he can cope with the power of the Geneforge while you -- a mere apprentice -- cannot.

It's just my opinion, nothing more; that's why I said "I think." I do know it's possible to be crazy and hide it. And I still say he's nuts.

[Dikiyoba]

Originally by The Mystic:

 

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It's just my opinion, nothing more; that's why I said "I think." I do know it's possible to be crazy and hide it. And I still say he's nuts.

Dikiyoba glances at Mystic's signature and guesses that Mystic knows this from personal experience.

[The Mystic]

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Originally by The Mystic:

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It's just my opinion, nothing more; that's why I said "I think." I do know it's possible to be crazy and hide it. And I still say he's nuts.

Dikiyoba glances at Mystic's signature and guesses that Mystic knows this from personal experience.

Somewhat. I have a lot of oddballs in my family; I'd tell you something about it (especially about my one wacky aunt), but that's way off topic.

[Suspicious Vlish]

SNM:

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1) Is it possible to get an ending for G1 in which you rejoin the shapers (after destroying the Geneforge) where they don't distrust you?

No. If you stay loyal to the Shapers, they will always distrust you. Even if you don't use any canisters.

 

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(ie, you don't get the "always wonder what might have been" thing). Similarly, is there a way to use the Geneforge without going insane?

I never thought that the PC was 'insane' after using the Geneforge. He/she just doesn't tolerate insolence. And frankly, would you tolerate insolence if you were the most powerful being on the planet?

 

But no, there is no way to stop yourself from going 'insane' after using the Geneforge.

 

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2) I played G1 as a Shaper and just started G2 as a Guardian. The fyora I created at the beginning really sucks (he misses his shots as often as not, and I don't think that ever happened in G1). Is this because I'm a Guardian or because in G2 fyoras suck?

Both. A Guardian generally has a low Shaping ability. And a Fyora is only meant to be used in the early game. However, the Shaper class can make reasonably good Fyoras.

[Dermonster42]

no offense, but dermonster thinks Dikiyoba talks in the third person too much. just saying. dermonster says dont hate the player, hate the people surrounding him constantly swearing 50 times a minute.

[Nioca]

Please explain why this is relevant to this thread. And if you're so offended by her speaking in third-person, why are you doing the same?

[Dermonster42]

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Please explain why this is relevant to this thread. And if you're so offended by her speaking in third-person, why are you doing the same?

1. IM ANSWERING A QUESTION NO ONE HAS ASKED. dang cap lock
2.i dont know...
also, its just a little annoying, not offended, just annoying, also, seriously, third person?

[Sudanna]

Sigh. Where should -X- begin?

 

1 - This is not relevant. At all.

2 - Nothing is stopping you from going back and retyping the sentence in capitals.

3 - If dermonster13 finds third-person annoying, then just ignore the posts that use third-person. Namely, Dikiyoba's Alarael's, and -X-'s.

4 - Yes, seriously, third-person. What's wrong with it?

5 - You are illiterate. If -X-'s Book hadn't been ripped to peices by his brother, he would give you a "Noob" point.

[Nioca]

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3 - If dermonster13 finds third-person annoying, then just ignore the posts that use third-person. Namely, Dikiyoba's Alarael's, and -X-'s.

Let's see if I have this straight. You're lecturing him, then telling him to ignore your lecture. It's weird, yet mildly humorous.

Also, it's Alorael. Unless you're referring to a new member. Also, Alorael doesn't speak in third-person.

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5 - You are illiterate. If -X-'s Book hadn't been ripped to peices by his brother, he would give you a "Noob" point.

That's a hypocritical remark if I've ever seen one. And please, please stop calling members illiterate. Or, if you must call members illiterate, don't make a spelling error while doing so.

I'd suggest getting FireFox 2.0. It has a built-in spellchecker which will help keep these mistakes from happening.

Now, with all of that said, someone LOCK THIS TOPIC before it gets anymore spam.

[Lilith]

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Originally written by Nioca:
Let's see if I have this straight. You're lecturing him, then telling him to ignore your lecture. It's weird, yet mildly humorous.

Well, telling him to ignore the lecture before one was through lecturing him would make the rest of the post rather pointless.

[Kelandon]

This topic gets a serious wtf.

 

As far as I can tell, the questions at the beginning have been answered. Any further discussion of how to make fyoras (fyorae, a demented little part of my brain says) more effective can be directed to the myriad topics already existing on the subject, or to a new topic.

 

-X-, don't call people names. Point out serious errors if necessary. Otherwise let it be.

 

Dermonster, speaking in the third person is fairly normal on these boards, although Kelandon honestly doesn't do it except to annoy Alorael, who does in fact use the third person pronoun "he" to refer to himself in his signature, suggesting that he really does speak in the third person about himself.

 

—Kelandon, who enjoys annoying Alorael. A lot. Especially on boards that Alo doesn't moderate, where his posts are safe from Alo-based tampering.