Unflappable Drayk Death Knight Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Mine would be Avadon as it really has the best parts of Avernum/Geneforge combined. I think that Geneforge is a good series but it is more suited towards being a solo rpg than a party rpg. Its very good at that however and has a unique world too. The character classes that you get are my favorite part of Geneforge. You can really come up with new character ideas left and right and that's what makes the game great. The downsides are that like Avernum there is really no talking/banter between party members. That's not major but it helps. I used to like Avernum but its too long. On the other hand it has a much more awesome deal as you get to create a bunch of cool characters. However the down sides are major. You have enemies that don't die within a large number of hits making regular fights very drawn out. While the class system is good you get sick of the characters very early as the games are horrifically long. It'd be one thing if Avernum was as concise as Avadon but that's not the case. If Jeff were to cut down on all the ceaselessly annoying fetch quests to lead up to major quests-I would like that. Im hoping that in the future Jeff releases another rpg that is concise and realistic as Avadon. Avadon might not have as many choices but its a cool game where I can fire up a few hours that are a lot of fun. So my favorites of the 3 are Avadon 1st, Geneforge 2nd, and Avernum 3rd Would everyone else have a different like/dislike for the game series? Ircher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Nethergate's biggest draw is that you get to play both sides of the story. The setting is pretty unique too. How many other games set in ancient Britain have you seen? Dikiyoba, Triumph and nikki. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Avernum, casters can use spells freely w/o need to wait them to cooldown (like in Avadon at the same time when enemy can celebrate 4th of july with help of scrolls etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 By average quality, Nethergate. By aggregate quality, I think I could make a better argument defending Geneforge, but Avernum still holds the special place in my heart it earned way back in the days of Exile. —Alorael, who thinks Avadon needs a little more time to mature as a series before he can shower it with accolades. The first game is very good, but it's not a self-contained story and it's not the greatest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Edgwyn Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I prefer Avernum to Avadon simply because I like the larger party size. I grew up normally having eight characters in a paper RPG and playing six characters on my own in a computer RPG (Wizardry I-III, Bard's Tale I-III). For that matter, Exile allowed six characters. I really don't like being limited to three characters at a time, even if it is out of five. I have not played Geneforge and will be buying Nethergate after Avadon 2, so I cannot compare those two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Questionably Legal Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The Romans have perfected shirts. The Celts have forged pants. Only by making an alliance between the two warring forces can a single warrior. . . get dressed. nikki., Triumph and Student of Trinity 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Mod. Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I found nethergate highly enjoyable, especially because it had the best menu. Even though I've only played slightly past the demo area, it definitely ranks somewhere from my favorite to third favorite. Its oddly the only SWS game I own that I haven't finished. Hopefully it doesn't get less enjoyable as you get further into it (I don't think it will, but I don't have the time on my hands to find out). I definitely rank geneforge higher than avernum and avadon, mostly because of the first two. Those two gave me the best feeling of setting identity, feeling more developed than generic. Take for example the intro music to G1, very different than most of Jeff's games, and it gave the game a good feeling. The latter games became less enjoyable as the story got dull and the overall setting feeling wasn't as strong. I greatly prefer the more solo-oriented gameplay, and the zones had identity that kept the weak creature mashing from being boring. You were also able to attack anyone you wanted to, which is a HUGE plus for me. Avadon is my least favorite. The game was short, and the demo very short and un-enjoyable. I did very much enjoy more optional boss fighting from Avadon, but the optional quests weren't that interesting, and you couldn't attack whoever you wanted. It was extremely linear, which I find to be the bane of RPGs, and that killed me the most. I'll buy Avadon 2, but if it isn't any better I might just have to skip the third. Avernum was somewhere between these two, with some not as fun gameplay as geneforge generally, but a big mostly open world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Lauren CW Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Geneforge because scifi. And moral dilemmas. And powergaming. And your decisions make a difference in the ending of the game in a much bigger way that the other games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I've been getting stuck back into the Exile series lately. For me it's the Exile/Avernum series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Exile and the first Avernum trilogy. Can't really decide between those two, but I'd have to say I like Exile 3 and Avernum 2 best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Death Knight Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 It seems there's a lot of love for Nethergate which is cool despite the bad sales. Im only hoping that some day after all the other remakes jeff redoes that game. I don't think any of my gaming friends have given it a bad report saying it was very much like Avernum but shorter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 There's no need to re do any of the games. They are perfect as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk adc. Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Nobody needs to ask me anymore... Geneforge because it fed on my sanity. ----- -Nightwatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Rya.Reisender Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Really depends on category for me. Overall, Avernum Escape From The Pit is my favorite game so far. Then comes Nethergate. Then probably Avadon. GeneForge... I really like the setting, but I dislike the gameplay. I prefer playing with a group of heroes rather than being a summoner. So if we are talking series gameplay-wise, I'd say Avernum as it went the longest way improving. Best series setting-wise could very well be GeneForge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Necris Omega Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Nostalgia bias says Exile. Overall I have to say the original Avernum Trilogy. The remake? ... while I like the overall gameplay and design, some of the new story choices really, really rub me the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 That's a tough question for me. I really liked Avadon but the Exile series holds a special place in my heart. The thing is, I don't have the patience to play through the Exile games like I did when I was a child, and my younger self wouldn't have been able to appreciate Avadon. I guess they're tied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 zwei: you are big fat liar. adc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 For its excellent story and fantastic setting, it's got to be Nethergate. That game just works so well in so many ways. The Avernum and Geneforge series are both good overall, but have a mix of high and low points for me. Nethergate is not a series but just one game (well, two, but one is a straight-up remake), and that one entry is a major highpoint of SW game design. Exile, or at least the demos, were a lot of fun when I was a kid, but others have said, I don't know if I'd have the patience for them anymore. As for Avadon, well, apparently I'm an outlier, but I didn't care for it at all (to the point that I never even bothered to get the full game). Avernum, Geneforge, and Nethergate all have truly distinctive settings (massive underground cave network / world magical genetic modifying / ancient Britain). To me, Avadon was the most generic fantasy thing SW has ever done. And then the characters didn't really seem very interesting. So, the game lacked the interesting setting to explore (i.e. Avernum), lacked a sufficiently interesting and mysterious plot to draw me (i.e. Geneforge), and lacked interesting characters (one of the other strengths of Nethergate - it actually manages to develop some of the NPCs at least a bit). I hope that Ava-Dos will step things up. It can't change the setting, but maybe the plot and characters will be more engaging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk adc. Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 zwei: you are big fat liar. What can I say? Geneforge had the most powerful, augmented fluffy turtles. ----- -Nightwatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Geneforge however did not have the awesome almighty cave cows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Edgwyn Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I'm just surprised that a certain segment of the population has not crafted a mod to turn the cave cows into cave ponies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Questionably Legal Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I'm just surprised that a certain segment of the population has not crafted a mod to turn the cave cows into cave ponies. Shush! You'll give them ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Mod. Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I might as well throw this out too, in case the thread author wanted to know the opinions of a larger number of people: http://spiderwebforums.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/17976-grand-poll-results-part-2-game-ratings/page__hl__%2Bgrand+%2Bpoll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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