Articulate Vlish Merteuil Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 So I've finished the demo with a awakened agent and I'm thinking I want to start a obeyer shaper before I buy the game but reading the various posts it sounds like you can only afford to invest in one school of shaping to succeed? Is this true of all the games, as that would be really lame and render making a character just to see the creations kinda pointless. Might as well stick with my creation-less Agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk adc. Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 LIES! Where did you get them? Probably from 4chan. ----- No. Don't listen to them. Concentrating in a shaping skill may help you succeed, but there are various enemies throughout the game. Let's say, there's a Glaahk with a decent resistance to magic, but weak when hit physically. When you only concentrate at magic, you may be able to create Glaahks, artilas to fight the creature. Then it takes time to take down the enemy. Another example is, the same Glaahk, but now you have a clawbug, a roamer and a thahd. A clawbug does physical damage, as well as the thahds. Plus the roamer for support. The Glaahk won't be able to resist much damage or none at all. Try to be versatile. Sure, concentrating on a Shaper school might be a good idea, but it has its disadvantages. It depends upon your preference. You may be one step behind in creating creatures, but at least you have a variety of them. Also, try to train your character with magic and a few points of endurance, to be able to withstand some damage. ----- -Nightwatcher Tridon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 It also depends upon which game you are playing. Battle creations are highly effective in Geneforge 5 because Fire and Magic creations were reduced in their effectiveness. Magic creation vlish are extremely effective in Geneforge 3 because they can slow opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 As far as character builds go, there "most powerful you can possibly be" and there's "able to finish the game on a casual difficulty setting." If you really want to optimize, then it should come as no surprise that concentrating on one type of shaping is the way to go (sometimes this is because of how the shaping mechanics works - G1 - and sometimes it is became one type of creation is preeminently powerful - G3). However, if your aim is just to finish the game a normal difficulty setting, you probably can safely dabble in different types of shaping (especially in some of the later games like G4 where there items to give shaping skill and where massive investments in shaping skill aren't as helpful). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Merteuil Posted May 26, 2013 Author Share Posted May 26, 2013 Oh yeh, all questions I ever have will be in order to beat the game (all challenge areas included, and killing anyone I don't really like), on normal. I've already called it quits on a Shaper though. It doesn't appeal and I miss making things exploded with my mind (How i interpret Firebolt.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Keep in mind that you don't actually need to invest a bunch of points into every Shaping skill to make creations useful. 3 points in a skill is enough to unlock most of the creations from that school. Raising a shaping skill further just gets you bonus levels and access to the upgraded versions of each tier of creations, which are nice but generally not essential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk adc. Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Keep in mind that you don't actually need to invest a bunch of points into every Shaping skill to make creations useful. 3 points in a skill is enough to unlock most of the creations from that school. Raising a shaping skill further just gets you bonus levels and access to the upgraded versions of each tier of creations, which are nice but generally not essential. Yeah. What Lilith said. I cheated my skill points to over 9000 using CE and I raised all of them into 30. When I shaped my first fyora, it was in level 19 and could do 73+ damage. It's not worth it. If you want to have a creature upgrade then you must get 3 points of Create -insert creature name here-. Having one point of it gives you the ability to shape the creature. Having two points of it, I don't know what it does, but makes your creature probably a little stronger. Having three points of it gives you an upgraded form of the creature. ----- Also, stick to your creations. They become stronger and gain XP. Don't absorb them when unneeded, make full use of them while you still can. ----- -Nightwatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 In G1 and G3 it really pays to invest in only one school, in G4 and G5 it's better to have a mix of different creatures since a lot of foes are too resistant to just one type of damage, basically, you can get better advice by specifically referring to the game you are playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Questionably Legal Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Yeah. What Lilith said. I cheated my skill points to over 9000 using CE and I raised all of them into 30. When I shaped my first fyora, it was in level 19 and could do 73+ damage. It's not worth it. If you want to have a creature upgrade then you must get 3 points of Create -insert creature name here-. Having one point of it gives you the ability to shape the creature. Having two points of it, I don't know what it does, but makes your creature probably a little stronger. Having three points of it gives you an upgraded form of the creature. ----- Also, stick to your creations. They become stronger and gain XP. Don't absorb them when unneeded, make full use of them while you still can. ----- -Nightwatcher They're over 9000! . . . and yet under 31. 0_o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Merteuil Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Thank you all for the advice but like I said I've become deeply infatuated with the Agent. Being able to kill everything I see in one hit is great, and the gentle and passionate love-making is a plus. Tridon and Upon Mars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I guess there are some advantages to waiting for the Windows versions of these games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt MMXPERT-seraph of thermodynamics Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 and the gentle and passionate love-making is a plus What I repeat. What. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Well, I'd be rather disappointed if a Guardian was at all gentle, and a Shaper would probably just be a wet noodle in bed - not very passionate. So if it's going to be any of them, it'd probably be an Agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 You know how those glass cannon agents are. There's an impressive burst but they've got no stamina at all. —Alorael, who put too much effort into making puns out of romance and the types of shaping and then threw up his hands in disgust. Some things are too low even for him. RainbowDashRadical and Upon Mars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Chessrook44 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 —Alorael, who put too much effort into making puns out of romance and the types of shaping and then threw up his hands in disgust. Some things are too low even for him. And that is why Sucia island was barred. All those shapers "Enhancing" themselves just embarassed everyone on the council. RainbowDashRadical, Upon Mars., Student of Trinity and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt MMXPERT-seraph of thermodynamics Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 best pun so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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