Easygoing Eyebeast VCH Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 So who is the PC exactly? I'm thinking it's the PC from G3, because both Alwan and Greta seem to know the PC so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 You never find out. You're probably right, though. It could be the PC from either Geneforge 3 or 4. My guess would be 4, since you have the option to be a servile and you couldn't be one in 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Obviously this would vary according to what you pick as your character. You couldn't have been a servile from G3. Doesn't think there has ever been a very clear set of story lines indicating you were a character from the past anyway. But alas, does not have G5 so knows little more than common sense on this subject. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I highly doubt that the PC (it feels weird calling something so awesome a PC) in GF5 is the one from any other game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I think someone already dared to say that the PC might be Shaper Monarch, a disturbing twist on the 'Monarch is the PC' debate held a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 It seems that Jeff implied that your PC in GF5 is indeed one that you played in either GF4 or GF3 depending on your class choice. If you were a Shaper class, you were the GF3 PC. If you were a Rebel class, you were the GF4 PC. It does seem that many of the major characters knew you prior to your memory loss, so it is logical. As for Monarch, I heard the idea advanced that he might be the PC from GF 1 after using the Geneforge. Very powerful, totally mad, etc. It could be, but I doubt we will ever know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 From the location where you are found, it's possible that the PC could be from GF2 as a PC or an NPC from one of the factions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 When you think about it, the PC from GF5 could be any of them, considering that (if memory serves) the GF1 PC disappeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 You could definitely be part of GF2 saga; however, the one reason I doubt it is because Alwan and Greta both know you. Litalia may or may not have known you, but it seems like she knows more than she is willing to admit. Still possible, but less likely. As for GF1, it is also possible, but even less likely because of the sheer amount of time and the Geneforge you used (being much more powerful, requiring specially made gloves) back then does not match the description of touching your hands to the surface. Still possible, but less likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I got the sense that Greta and Alwan have memories of others like you triggered, not memories of you yourself. It could be that they're being evasive, but I thought it was more nostalgic. And since the G3/G4 PC probably picks a side and works with it, you'd think one of the two would be more enthusiastic about rediscovering a lost friend. Even more, you'd think someone would flip out after seeing someone who was once a terrible leveler of armies wandering around mostly helpless. —Alorael, who thinks the PC from G5 is actually Shaila. A terrible mistake of shaping? Check. The rest is just details, possibly including a sex change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Serene Tempest Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 And possibly a species change... Also, since shaping seems to slightly modify someone's apperance (waxy skin and glowing eyes, etc.), maybe if you were subjected to a ridiculous enough level of it you wouldn't be easy to recognize anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Ohtar Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I'm in the camp who thinks it can be anyone you want it to be, so long as they horribly abused reshaping themselves. There's someone in the prison in Alwan's fortress who (if you convince the jailor to release him) will tell you about how he saw you on the road to the foundry. You were pretty crazy prior to the start of the game. Hm... I should play through all five games a canister addict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Originally Posted By: *i If you were a Shaper class, you were the GF3 PC. Not necessarily. It is made clear that you are dressed to look more important than you were and even if you are playing a shaper, you are not to be confused with a true shaper. I think even if you play as a shaper class, the argument could be made for you once being a lifecrafter or something else. The reverse is not true for the servile class, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 If you really were the shaper from G3 it makes on sense that Alwan and/or Greta would disown you in G4. Think it was Alwan who said something to the effect of "There was another shaper who....disappeared," and didn't want to talk about it further. Alorael must be right. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast VCH Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 Didn't 90% of the endings in G4 result in the PC being killed or something just as bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Serene Tempest Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Not all of them ended that bad. In fact, if I remember correctly, one of the easiest-to-find rebel endings ended up with the PC being a rebel hero and the whole continent spiraling into the gruesome stalemate you find it in when GF 5 starts up. Also, if you help the shapers shut down the rebellion right then and there, and you have a strong enough pro-shaper reputation so they don't completely distrust you, they just strip you of all your powers and let you live out the rest of your life in obscurity. In fact, the only endings where I remember dying are the Trakovite ending and taking the Shaper ending without a solidly pro-shaper reputation. If it makes a difference, though, I was pretty sparing with the canisters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 It's possible to survive the Trakovite ending if you're working for the rebels rather than the shapers in the end. You still end up exiled to a prison camp in the middle of nowhere, but hey, at least they don't kill you. There is a rebel ending where you do die: give the Unbound specifications to the Shapers, then release the Unbound. The specifications give the Shapers the information they need to develop magic to destroy the Unbound; they win the war, and the Shapers and the Rebels race to see who can kill you first. Whoops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Originally Posted By: Serene Tempest Also, if you help the shapers shut down the rebellion right then and there, and you have a strong enough pro-shaper reputation so they don't completely distrust you, they just strip you of all your powers and let you live out the rest of your life in obscurity. The canisters do make a difference. If use almost no canisters and have a high reputation with the Shapers, you get a fairly good Shaper ending. It's been a while since I read the GF4 Shaper ending, but I think you even manage to gain a small amount of influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Ouroboros Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 So how many endings do G4 have? I have seen the Rebel-Trakovite ending you exiled but everyone sees you as a Hero and have opinion that you have chosen the right path.And for Trakovite-Shaper ending you will be executed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 "Good" Shaper ending : Help the Shapers, get a high reputation with them, use few or no canisters, and the Shapers will be true to their word, you'll get your reward. "Bad" Shaper ending : Help the Shapers, but use too many canisters. This ending may be even worse if you have a low rep with the Shapers. There is no "bad" rebel ending (except for the one Thuryl mentioned - help the rebels but give Alwan the Unbound papers), but it's happier if you have a high reputation with them. Shaper Trakovite ending : you'll be seen as a hero by some, but you'll die. Rebel Trakovite ending : If you have a high reputation with the rebels, you'll spend the rest of your life in the hostile Forsaken Lands. If you have a low rebel reputation, you'll be executed. Weird endings : Complete the Unbound after helping the Shapers win the battle, or destroy the Unbound after helping the rebels win the battle. I believe the Shapers may actually let you live in the second case, if you didn't use too many canisters. You'll still be exiled, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Ouroboros Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 And how about not using many canisters but Miranda and Alwan get killed or using many canisters but Miranda and Alwan still alive? Also what about ending you not using many canisters but help the rebels? Or can we kill every one in last zone(sorry forgot the name) then complete/destroy Unbound if you rebel/shaper what can be happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 If Miranda and Alwan die in the final battle in the Shaper ending, or Akhari Blaze dies in the final battle in the Rebel ending, it's assumed that they died fighting by your side, even if you're the one who killed them. The ending is a little different, but not very. If you work for the rebels and use canisters, you get a little message in the ending about how it's sometimes hard to relate to other people. If you don't use canisters, you don't get that message. That's the only difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Ouroboros Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 What happened in weird endings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I don't remember exactly, but it usually ended badly for you. Other than that, they were pretty similar to the Shaper and rebel endings for the people of Terrestia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Ouroboros Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Then if I remember correctly the canonical ending is Rebel-Trakovite. Then in my opinion its our char from G4 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 The fact that the Drakons are still producing Unbound suggests that it was the straight Rebel ending rather than the Trakovite ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Ouroboros Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Maybe they making the machine again? Now with the labor of servile and human maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Serene Tempest Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I remember the straight rebel ending saying that the rebels gained a lot of ground, and then the Shapers responded in kind with more dangerous creations (remember the bugs in the Pacification fields that Mehkan said were to eat the rebel's crops?), bringing the war to a bloody stalemate. The Rebel-Trakovite ending results in the Rebels having enough Unbound to secure their land, but not enough to seriously threaten the shapers, resulting in a less bloody stalemente. So I think we're dealing with the straight-rebel ending. There's also the fact that Miranda dies, Alwan is left for dead, and Alkhari Blaze is still around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Fringy MacGee Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Okay, I wanted to play through everything before weighing in. I'll agree that while it is open-ended enough to allow the PC to be anyone you want, there are too many hints that point towards you being the G3/G4 PC (probably 4) which is... AWESOME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Then why'd you be wandering in Drypeak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Why wouldn't you be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Archaeolagent Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Seriously, everybody wanders around Drypeak, including the entire cast of G2 and a number of major NPCs from the later games, including Ghaldring and Litalia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk pitchblack Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I know about Ghaldring in Drypeak, comsidering that's where he's from, but Litalia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Archaeolagent Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Yes, she mentions it several times in multiple games, as recent quoted in several threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk pitchblack Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Must of missed that... Need to stop killing everything on sight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Ohtar Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 It notes that you'd probably traveled a long way. So you could just have been coincidentally wandering by that area. Edit: Doh. Accidentally responded to an earlier post without realizing the thread went to page two. Sorry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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