Garrulous Glaahk The1Kobra Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 When playing through the different endings in GF1.. I noticed that Trajkov was the only person able to control himself after he used the geneforge. I know that your character can't control himself, and goes mad, and don't even start talking about Goesstch, hes crazy even before he uses the geneforge (if you get that ending). The only person able to keep his humanity intact is Trajkov, which is quite odd, being that he is already heavily modified, and doesn't have the type of training your character does. (And don't even talk about Goesstch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Retlaw May Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Well the lame and often used explanation is just that some people are more effected mentally than others by canisters and the geneforge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 He doesn't stay sane. His insanity doesn't show as much, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 His search for power seems less self-centered than the others. He's considered the plight of the Takers and other serviles and decided he's going to improve their life by using the Geneforge, overthrowing the Shapers, and creating a new empire. Everyone else just wants an empire so they can rule. He also seems like a sensible person. He knew when to stop using canisters because they were causing him problems. He was a good enough leader to be chosen to lead the expedition and to keep all of the canister-crazed Sholai following him instead of going off on their own. Dikiyoba thinks one or both of those reasons might explain why he stays sane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Suspicious Vlish Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I agree with Dikiyoba on this one. Trajkov stayed sane after using the Geneforge because he had an extraordinary strength of character and will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 In other words, the explanation basically boils down to "he's just that badass". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Aequitas Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I think it may have something to do with the fact he's used so many canisters that they just don't affect him any more. He certainly did not display the easily provoked tendencies of most other canister users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The1Kobra Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Another thing I noticed is that if you ask him to use it once he has, he says the power would overwhelm you... How exactly does he figure that out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Micawber Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Quote: Originally written by The Mystic:He doesn't stay sane. His insanity doesn't show as much, that's all. You have an unusual definition of insane. Trajkov behaves in a sane manner (according to the game canon) yet underneath he is a fruitcake (according to you). Most people consider insanity to be when people are not in control, so aren't responsible for their behaviour. Trajkov is well in control, even after using the Geneforge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Point taken, and hence my signature too. Had you met some of the people I know, you'd understand. Being hellbent on a task can also be construed as insanity. That's why I say he's off his rocker and halfway across the room, even though he's fully aware and in control of his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Tarkov learend a way to control his impulsions that is quite unusuall quality in a man so even with power he sees that he is not all powerfull and stays open and a man of his word . I will kill him on 99°/° of chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Aeshi Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Its Trajkov!TRAJKOV!Thou shall spell his name correctly damnit! (To be honest I don't really care ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Buuhhha!!!!!!! he screambed at me for misbelling Trajkov!!BUHAAA!!! i wan't my mumy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Sven_v2.0_LITE Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Quote: Originally written by upon mars:Buuhhha!!!!!!! he screambed at me for misbelling Trajkov!!BUHAAA!!! i wan't my mumy!! Urmmm... Buh? As far as Trajkov goes, i think he only seems sane because he is less insane than those around him (including your character.) He also seems to have a better conditioned mind, viz., he knows to stop using the canisters before they destroy his humanity, he isn't consumed by powerlust, and he just acts very differently from his troops. This could also be merely because your character has a badly conditioned mind and gets hit by the powerlust, etc. On a slightly related note, has anyone ever tried to play through the game without using any canisters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Sven_v2.0_LITE:On a slightly related note, has anyone ever tried to play through the game without using any canisters? With a Guardian, it's entirely possible (although not easy). With other classes... not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Suspicious Vlish Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 mars: Quote: Buuhhha!!!!!!! he screambed at me for misbelling Trajkov!!BUHAAA!!! i wan't my mumy!! I note that the above poster has been 'Canned'. Why? He provides a constant source of comic relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Aeshi Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Quote: Originally written by upon mars:Buuhhha!!!!!!! he screambed at me for misbelling Trajkov!!BUHAAA!!! i wan't my mumy!! *gives opon mars a chocolate-chip cookie*There there... *looks at quote* *edits the quote* Quote: Edited Quote: Buuhhha!!!!!!! he screamed at me for mispelling Trajkov!!BUHAAA!!! i wan't my mummy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Originally by Waylander: Quote: I note that the above poster has been 'Canned'. Why? He provides a constant source of comic relief. There is a fine line between unintentional humor and annoying spam. Edit: Almost forgot. Welcome to Spiderweb Software, Sven. Leave your sanity at the door. (Keep enough to remain coherent, though.) Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Tarrasque, you missed an error in the edited quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Dikiyoba:Leave your sanity at the door. (Keep enough to remain coherent, though.) Now I get the warning, after it's too late. When I first came in, I left my marbles at the coat check. But when I went back to use them for a moment, I discovered there was a hole in the bag, and they'd all fallen out. So if you see any marbles lying around, let me know, they're probably mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:Tarrasque, you missed an error in the edited quote. Three, actually. It should read: Quote: Buuhhha!!!!!!! He screamed at me for mispelling Trajkov!! BUHAAA!!! I want my mummy!! *cough* Quote: Originally written by Dikiyoba:Leave your sanity at the door. (Keep enough to remain coherent, though.) As readers of your story would probably know full well, I was mauled by fluffy turtles for keeping a bit of sanity on me. So that may not be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Aeshi Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 So sorry about that Nioca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Thanks for the cookie i came back now this chapter is officially closed end of story. But do you what a full of saliva cookie Nocia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Okay, three things: 1. The best way to end a subject of discussion is to not post in it, especially if it's a several day old topic. 2. It's Nioca, not Nocia. He likes it spelled correctly. 3. Dikiyoba lied; there is no third thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The_Other_Guy Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Quote: don't even start talking about Goesstch, hes crazy even before he uses the geneforge (if you get that ending). Just out of curiosity, what exactly happened in that ending? Every time I played GF1 I killed him. After all, what use is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Retlaw May Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Well, think of the Shoali ending except you are screwed and he is the one ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 If Nalyd remembers correctly, when you help Goetssch (Nalyd can never remember his name) he attacks you when you report to him after killing Trajkov. And, on an unrelated note, would Sven's last name happen to be Ovall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Originally by Nalyd: Quote: If Nalyd remembers correctly, when you help Goetssch (Nalyd can never remember his name) he attacks you when you report to him after killing Trajkov. He only attacks you if you tell him you destroyed the Geneforge. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Really? Well, Nalyd is pretty sure that you don't get a reward if you help him. Although, it has been a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The1Kobra Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 If memory serves, Goesstch's "reward" is the permission to leave his domain alive, rather dissapointing actually. If you kill Trajkov, and don't destroy the geneforge, he uses it, goes insane, and causes a whole sort of problems. Pleasant chap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Mr. Potato Thumbs Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Trajkov, despite his strength of will, succumbs to a stronger, more potent human emotion: greed. text2 = "_I am Trajkov, Shaper. I brought you to this island. I want you to help me. When you hear what I have to say, I believe you will help me. Everything you have done to hurt or help my cause is now forgotten or forgiven._" "I have some gloves. (Show them to Trajkov.) However, the presence of your creations will interfere with the Geneforge. (Lie.)"; text1 = "Trajkov's eyes widen when he sees the gloves. Greed prevents him from thinking too hard about your request. _Oh, yes. Of course. Instability. Fine._"; According to the information we are given, Trajkov, compared to the PC, is a leader and one can assume he has been in a position of leadership for years. The Sholai must think highly of an individual if he is sent on an expedition across the "great sea," reminiscent of the European explorers crossing the expanse of the unknown. Whereas the PC is literally a babe in the woods, an apprentice, not even a full Shaper. Just a slight difference between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Jeran Korak Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 I think I'll like it here, lota total nutjob's around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 But Trajkov, even greed wants to improve the world that he lives into his image, of course, but he saw what happened on Sucia island and only tried to make his people survive . And there is no more honorable quest to seek to improve the life of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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