Kyshakk Koan Valdain the King Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was thinking about making a challenging character for geneforge 3. Ive played the 2nd game as an agent and the 1st game as a guardian, so I know the game engine. Ive read up that g3 has gem enhancements added with the game. Im thinking of making this character an agent that uses melee, but only wields daggers as her challenge. No swords just daggers. I will obviously have need of upgrading some of the better ones. Could someone that has played g3 a bit fill me in on the enhancements and their benefits. I would like this game to be something different instead of just the regular characters that everyone makes. Oh yeah, and will using a bit of shaping be useful for this build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 This is definitely doable. I played through G3 using a melee agent. The key is to use the enhancement that drains life every time you use a melee attack. Only daggers sounds irritating more than challenging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Valdain the King Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 Well if that is the case i might have to step it up a bit. Maybe i should add something to the mix. NO battle magic, only daggers, mental magic and blessing magic, etc. That might make it challenging with mobs but not too horrofic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Valdain the King Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 Wait, Im not thinking clearly. If i am going to try that build, i should be making a guardian since i will be using a bit of shaping. Ill start with a creature from the beginning and work my way up through leveling, put melee up a bit but rely on quick action/parry morso due to daggers. I might take your advice on the drain life for weapon, but slow sounds nasty too. Got to love the possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If you are playing on Normal, go for it. If you're playing on Torment, you pretty much need the Agent's ability to pump Mental Magic to crazy levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Didn't drain life take it and add it to your own? when I got it in G4 I think thats what happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Mod. Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Do you mean only the weapon "Dagger" or any weapon that is a dagger? I don't remember if Tek's Spectral Dirk Returned for G3, but a dirk isn't really a dagger, though it does have the dagger graphic in the Geneforge series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Wikipedia seems to think that dirks are in fact daggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 that's slander, dirk bogarde never dagged anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I thought a dirk was a really really short sword. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Originally Posted By: Karoka I thought a dirk was a really really short sword. . . And what, may I ask, is a dagger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk AethirWeb Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 So then I guess it's like this, Sword = Long, Sharp Pointy shard of Metal on a stick Dirk = Really really short sword Dagger = Butterknife made for combat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk AethirWeb Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 How about this challenge, the Attack of the Stick build. I want to see who could beat GeneForge 3 wielding only a stick aided by a limit of three creations on torment. >=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Originally Posted By: AethirWeb So then I guess it's like this, Sword = Long, Sharp Pointy shard of Metal on a stick Dirk = Really really short sword Dagger = Butterknife made for combat A dirk, from what I understand is pretty much something in between a gladius and a stiletto. A dagger is bigger than a bowie knife, at least two hands long in order to have any real effect in combat. Originally Posted By: AethirWeb How about this challenge, the Attack of the Stick build. I want to see who could beat GeneForge 3 wielding only a stick aided by a limit of three creations on torment. >=) A4 does the stick tank very well. With 30 total spread around melee, strength and blademaster (really easy to come by what with bless, item bonuses, ec.), you will consistently deal more damage than you would with the puresteel soulblade or whatever it's called. You can deal almost as much damage with a stick as with a halberd though with a good shield, your defence will be much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Valdain the King Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 A little off the topic of this thread, but regarding creations. It states that dexterity helps the monsters hit and evade, strenght affects damage and to hit/stun, intelligence is obvious as is enduranc. What does dex really do regarding creations? Does it help you hit like in avernum series or just evasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Dexterity only helps with evasion. Strength helps with to hit and damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Valdain the King Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 I am struggling through the last part of the 1st island. Me and bruno (my thahd) have destroyed most things up until now. Things are getting really tough. These spawners are giving me and bruno a tough time. Im trying to level him up, and me a bit too, but its been tough. My melee and combat skills are fine, but im not sure if i should get a point in blessing magic. I have war blessing, will that help? Any other pointers, the game's been pretty fun so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 War blessing is definitely useful. Also, consider shaping something else. Thahds are not really very good. You'd do better with Artila at this point. Or clawbug. Or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Valdain the King Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 I thought of using something else, but thahds are pretty cool. I read the faq on here about creation levels and powering through the game with a low creation and I really wanted to take a low creature through the game. So far its going good, i just think i need blessing magic. Im sure its entirely possible to get through normal with a low creature(thats leveled) like a thadh. Im they can do it on torment or tricky difficulty then im certain i can on normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Knife, dagger and sword are general terms. Size is not the only consideration; weapons are classed as swords in part due to cultural prestige, for example. A gladius is a fairly short sword. A dagger is not a sword. But the line between dagger and sword is blurry and the line between knife and dagger probably more blurry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Originally Posted By: HOUSE of S Knife, dagger and sword are general terms. Size is not the only consideration; weapons are classed as swords in part due to cultural prestige, for example. A gladius is a fairly short sword. A dagger is not a sword. But the line between dagger and sword is blurry and the line between knife and dagger probably more blurry. Well, a dagger is designed as a stabbing weapon. If it's not designed as a weapon or not primarily for stabbing, it's not a dagger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Some swords are also designed as stabbing weapons, though. Not coincidentally, those tend to be the shorter swords that are more likely to cause this confusion anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 i was talking more about the knife/dagger line than the dagger/sword line. there are some things that could reasonably be called both a knife and a dagger, but there are also things that are unambiguously a knife and not a dagger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yes, absolutely. A butter knife cannot be called a dagger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Nor is it really much of a knife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Look, why don't we just categorize them as 'stabby things' and 'cutty things' and 'this wannabe cutty thing'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Death Knight Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I would say that anything that is a short-bladed weapon that cannot be regarded as a sword (due to length) and relies on finesse, is a dagger. Dirks, knives, etc. The only one i have trouble calling a dagger is a kukri. Kukris are huge by dagger standards and difficult to use, or so i hear. Ive never used one before as i am still learning main gauche style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I love my Kukri. Got it in Kathmandu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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