Fledgling Fyora icicle Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Several years ago I had great fun finishing Avernum 3 and so I thought the other day I would try Avernum 4. Now I am up to the first shade and have lost all interest. I can only say that I have trouble believing the same person made this game. I feel almost traumitised after investing my time assuming it would be great. I guess different people like the different things about these games but the fact the specific things I liked are gone, big world to explore non linearity in visiting towns danger This game is more linear than the trans-siberian railway but anyway enough whining and to my question. As someone who enjoyed Avernum 3 but was "burned" by Avernum 4 are there any other spiderweb games I would like ? (willpower to try demos is destroyed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Lazarus. Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I would try Avernum 1 & 2. They use the same engine and play pretty similar to A3, although A2 is slightly linear in the beginning before opening up. I enjoyed the first trilogy, but never got into the second trilogy mostly for engine reason. Still, A4 is probably the fan consensus for worst Avernum game, so don't let that turn you off of A5 and A6 necessarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 A1 is the most open. A2 is almost completely open for exploration after the first quarter of the game or so, which are linear but largely linear exploration, and Nethergate gives you a slightly smaller open world to explore after the first quarter couple of major quests. All three have engines similar to that of A3. That said, while A5 and A6 have restrictions on your progress, the sections are much bigger and I never felt as cramped because I never finished exploring one area by the time I opened the next. Geneforge is very different, but you can at least give it a try. —Alorael, who really thinks A1 is the game to try next. The engine still hasn't reached the maturity it has in A3, but the game is very fun, you have a wide open world to explore, and you really get the best sense of the Avernum setting from the first game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Geneforge 1 and 2 fit your requirements nicely. The engine is a bit clunky now, but they're worth a try despite that. The later Geneforge games don't fit your requirements so well, unfortunately. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Originally Posted By: Tyranicus [snip] That picture has never really enticed me to buy that game, since I know that inside of a second later, the Roman is going to impale the Celt, and he'll soon proceed to burn down his village, salt his fields, and possibly kill his family. Not really much suspense there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Kyronea Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Originally Posted By: All our alephs come to naught A1 is the most open. A2 is almost completely open for exploration after the first quarter of the game or so, which are linear but largely linear exploration, and Nethergate gives you a slightly smaller open world to explore after the first quarter couple of major quests. All three have engines similar to that of A3. That said, while A5 and A6 have restrictions on your progress, the sections are much bigger and I never felt as cramped because I never finished exploring one area by the time I opened the next. Geneforge is very different, but you can at least give it a try. —Alorael, who really thinks A1 is the game to try next. The engine still hasn't reached the maturity it has in A3, but the game is very fun, you have a wide open world to explore, and you really get the best sense of the Avernum setting from the first game. Although a warning ahead of time, if you choose to play Avernum 1: there's no quest journal, and for whatever bizarre reason, you can't right click to look at things. Even though this functionality was already present in the previous engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Originally Posted By: Kyronea Although a warning ahead of time, if you choose to play Avernum 1: there's no quest journal, and for whatever bizarre reason, you can't right click to look at things. Even though this functionality was already present in the previous engine. While it isn't integrated into the game, there does exist a helpful list of quests for A1. I think that SW games tend to exhibit some regressions when starting something substantially new. For example, A4 had no elevation, despite it being present in previous games, and the feature took a game or two to return. This is just what happens when there's only one person doing the programming; some features just don't make it in before the game needs to be made ready to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 No elevations in A4 resulted from adapting the Geneforge game engine instead of revising the A3/Blades engine. It's also why there were no boats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Geneforge and Geneforge 2 both give a lot of freedom to explore. I agree with the comment that although Avernum 6 imposes some limits, the sections are so large as avoid a feeling of being restricted. And Nethergate (well, N: Resurrection) is my favorite Spiderweb game. It'd be worth trying any of those! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Originally Posted By: Randomizer No elevations in A4 resulted from adapting the Geneforge game engine instead of revising the A3/Blades engine. It's also why there were no boats. Right, but in terms of game features it can be seen as a drop in functionality, and it resulted from the amount of effort required to integrate those features into the new framework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dantius Originally Posted By: Tyranicus [snip] That picture has never really enticed me to buy that game, since I know that inside of a second later, the Roman is going to impale the Celt, and he'll soon proceed to burn down his village, salt his fields, and possibly kill his family. Not really much suspense there. Hero of Old. That Celt doesn't care. He is going to proceed to hack apart that Roman, steal all of his stuff, and sell it all to faeries. —Alorael, who has never understood why it's a viable Celtic option to take iron armor you can't wear and sell it to fellow Brigantes who also can't wear it or, even more oddly, faeries who have might trouble even being in contact with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 The buyers are in a speculative bubble, planning to resell the armor to Romans for a fat profit after the denarius crashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 NETHERGATE II: RECESSION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 That reminds me of that one signature some one had, Geneforge 6: Beating a dead ornk. That made me seriously fall out of my chair and land on my plug and unplugged the computer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Micawber Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, rebel servile. That made me seriously fall out of my chair and land on my plug and unplugged the computer Luckily, in today's litigious society, you can probably sue whoever had that signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Originally Posted By: Micawber Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, rebel servile. That made me seriously fall out of my chair and land on my plug and unplugged the computer Luckily, in today's litigious society, you can probably sue whoever had that signature. I'd like to sue the makers of the plug for constructing it well enough that he was able to plug it in again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I guess your computer was taken down by a Distributed Denial Of Seating attack. Have to watch out for those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dantius I'd like to sue the makers of the plug for constructing it well enough that he was able to plug it in again... It sounds like it was made by Sirian Cybernetics Corporation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Click to reveal.. Actually, it's the magic bubble that crashes. Some Romans made a killing shorting crystal wands —Alorael, who thinks that is exactly why there won't be a direct sequel. Playing out that recession would be too depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Sylak's Junk Bonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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