Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Might be nice to move the information about how scenarios get marked "Top," "Worthwhile," etc., from the FAQ into the list page itself. That is, instead of: "Top Scenarios None yet!" etc. change to: "Top Scenarios (at least 30% of the reviews have rated "Best")" etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Good idea, Kel. Added that to the list thread. Let's get some reviews! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Kill Them Dead Levels 5-10 Version 1.0.0 Difficult, Humor, Multiple Endings, Short, Stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Originally Posted By: Kelandon Might be nice to move the information about how scenarios get marked "Top," "Worthwhile," etc., from the FAQ into the list page itself. That is, instead of: "Top Scenarios None yet!" etc. change to: "Top Scenarios (at least 30% of the reviews have rated "Best")" etc. But what if a scenario has three reviews, and two say its terrible etc... ? I don't think a scenario can be the best if the majoriety thinks it stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I'm pretty sure a scenario doesn't get a composite score with only three reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Do we need to, like, have a rating contest or something? It seems as though we have plenty of scenarios up but very few ratings per scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 Originally Posted By: Master Ackrovan But what if a scenario has three reviews, and two say its terrible etc... ? I don't think a scenario can be the best if the majoriety thinks it stinks. First, a scenario needs at least five reviews to be put in those lists. Second, the system is designed to account for differences in personal taste. For instance, I thought BoE Za-Khazi Run was a wonderful, fun, gripping scenario, but most people shredded it in their reviews. I like exploration and adventure in exciting new places. Most of the designer base (which makes up most CSR reviewers) prefers plot-based scenarios. The point of putting the scenario in Best even if it's not thought that way by the majority is that enough people think it's a Best-quality scenario that there's a decent chance you might too. So you follow the link from the list and read the reviews, and decide for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 ADoS is correct. I chose five because that is the absolute lowest I would consider a sample to be statistically significant. Even that is probably too low, but we need to start somewhere. Also, if 30% of our population thinks it is one of the best scenarios, there is a decent chance a generic player might like it too, even if the rest of the reviewers hated it. The point with this are to base recommendations upon how a significant number of people feel, not some averaging scheme. Now I agree the thresholds are arbitrary, but if you feel they should be something else, feel free to comment. We may to a Review Contest when this thing gets off experimental mode. Good idea Kel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall BainIhrno Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I also was thinking that maybe we should put some popular scenarios that many would be familiar with, such as Bahssikava, Canopy, Mad Ambition, Frostbite... Just an idea. Also, I'll be starting to work on a file with all my BoE reviews, so once that CSR is up, I can just cut+paste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Duck in a Top Hat Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I plan to go on a BoA spree as soon as I finally beat A1. It's about time I've played someone else's scenarios. Pretty much all I've done until now is design a bunch of crap that never got finished, with two exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 Will the BoE version be up in time for the rating contest? It may have to be an extended rating contest, because school is starting soon for a lot of people, I believe. In the next week, I have to sort out my possessions for a yard sale on August 29th, and then school starts for me on September 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Quote: I also was thinking that maybe we should put some popular scenarios that many would be familiar with, such as Bahssikava, Canopy, Mad Ambition, Frostbite... I agree. I've been hoping the authors will contribute them to the testing. Quote: Will the BoE version be up in time for the rating contest? That is the hope. It may be difficult from the sheer volume of BoE scenarios, however. I still need to think on how we could do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall BainIhrno Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Well, there are a lot of BoE scenarios, and I'm not trying to be rude, but are really complete garbage. My suggestion would be to hold off and put these scenarios up last. A lot of designers are not around anymore so I doubt they would mind their scenarios being up. I'll also contribute all of my scenarios to the new CSR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Smoo Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I'm having troubles coming up with keywords for Quarhag Pass. So far I've got "Avernum Universe" and "Multiple Endings." What else is it? Suggestions? Anyways, you can put Rats Aplenty up there for now, so: Rats Aplenty Levels 1-5 Version 1.0.2 Avernum Universe, Humor, Dialogue Heavy, Beginner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Added. If you can't think of keywords now that's fine. You can add them later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Smoo Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Quarhag Pass Levels 10-18 Version 1.0.0 Avernum Universe, Multiple Endings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Duck in a Top Hat Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Might I suggest that we add the download links to the rating topics so we don't have to go looking for the scenarios somewhere else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Sorry for getting behind. Been really busy this weekend with work. I added Quarhag Pass and updated the scores. Duck: I agree with you and the idea is on my list of things to do. I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 VoDT finally has five reviews and has placed in the Worthwhile Scenarios category. Let's see if we can get a few more scenarios rated (need five reviews). Sorry I've been sparse as of late, I'm in the midst of thesis writing and been quite busy with work as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Frostbite and Druids of Krell have been added to the Reviews. Authors are welcome to provide keywords or correct inaccuracies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Ah. Okay. I guess you can list Druids. Thanks for asking. Awfully courteous of you. Levels 20-30 Version 3.1.0 Avernum Universe, Linear, Short Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I did ask in general if you had any objections on AIM a while ago and you didn't say anything. Also, you did help me write the forum rules and did not seem to push that authorization is needed first. If you want it removed, I'll do that. Right now I want to start adding all publicly available scenarios to the reviews as my time permits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Didn't Kel state somewhere in Nobody's Heroes that he didn't want it listed on any review sites? Or maybe I'm getting that confused with another scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan tridash Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 erm, no, he stated that he didn't want it listed on the CSR. I'm guessing that if he hadn't wanted it up here he'd have said so two weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Tridash has it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall BainIhrno Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I'm not sure if I can submit keywords for scenarios I didn't write, but I think that "Contest Winner" should be noted under Echoes: Renegade and Frostbite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 ...post 'em. Due to discrepancies with version numbers (readme files differing from .bas files), I've included the .bas file's version number, and the date of the most recently-published version. Adrift Levels 1-5 Version 1.1.0 (4-30-09) Avernum Universe, Beginner, Short, Combat Heavy Darkness Levels 20-30 Version 1.1.0 (7-29-07) Avernum Universe, Dark, Combat Heavy, Dungeon Crawl, Short, 24-Hour Scenario Embers of Rebellion Levels 10-15 Version 1.1.0 (4-30-09) Avernum Universe, Branching Plot, Dialogue Heavy Shades of Gray Levels 20-25 Version 1.0.0 (4-30-09) Avernum Universe, Multiple Endings, Cutscene Heavy, Short In any case, the most recent version is always here. Feel free to include that wherever you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Thank you for all the scenarios and reviews! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Incorruptible has been upgraded to the Quality Scenarios list. Keep the reviews coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 The Eternal has been added to the Quality Scenarios list. Thanks TM for the list of scenarios. I'm at a meeting this week, so I'm not online too much, but I'll try to add them when I get back. Oh and thanks for the reviews! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 *bam* TM's scenarios have been added to the forum. Even to the keywords thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Duck in a Top Hat Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Why's Avatar up twice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Thanks for getting to that Eph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Originally Posted By: Duck in a Throwing Hat Why's Avatar up twice? d'oh. Fixed, thanks. It's a wonder I missed that, considering I even re-posted my old review again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Just one more thing to all mods if you modify anything on the BoA Reviews forum. For everyone's benefit, the settings for posts/edits should be to exclude signatures but to include edit time stamps. The former is to keep things clean. The latter is so other mods know when the scores have been updated. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Tales has been added to the ratings. Lazarus is invited to provide keywords for his scenarios. Also, Echoes: Renegade has made our Top Scenarios list. Congrats TM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The Knight Who Said Ni Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Ahh I wish TM would crank out the scenarios like he used to. Does Jeff know/care about our update? -Ni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Twilight Valley Levels 1-100 Version 1.0.0 Keywords: Cutscene Heavy, Dark, Dialogue Heavy, Light/No combat, Linear, Plot Heavy, Short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 So just because a scenario's particularly bad means we can ignore the 100 word requirement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 If you can find 100 words to say about it, go nuts. At least Eph and I explained why it was so bad. And, I recall the 100 words being a guideline, not a hard rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 It is a guideline, but it was designed to discourage reviews like the one TM just made for Nephilim Mystery (which is what I was complaining about). Saying the scenario is bad and calling it poop without offering an explanation isn't helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Look, I'm gonna be honest here. In the case of Nephilim Mystery, it's difficult to pad a review out to 100 words. So far, methinks this is the only problem with it so far. I'm not concerned, personally. Originally Posted By: Karl Projektorinski And, I recall the 100 words being a guideline, not a hard rule? I was under this impression as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 So you're saying it's okay to give a rating without an explanation? I don't think saying "It is very, very, very bad." is much of an explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Looking at this from the outside, I would really suggest that you adopt some kind of guideline to avoid at least TM's review. TM's review contains an insult but no actual content. Reading that review would probably make me less likely to explore BoA at all, if I were new to it, just based on what it says about the community it comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Of course, 100 words plus is a good thing. Also, having people put something down is good as well. I'm willing to consider some remedy here in terms of recourse an author can take in the event of a review lacking in detail. The trouble is coming up with something where it is clear that a review was inadequate. Perhaps a good guideline is this: at the request of the scenario author, a review may be not counted or stricken. This request is only honored if absolutely no detail is given as to why the ranking was assigned. Examples of reviews that may be stricken: "It's very bad." "I did not enjoy this scenario." Examples of reviews that cannot be stricken: "The combat was tedious." "There was no plot." So in other words, if any attempt is made to describe some element of the scenario, the review will be counted no matter what. How does this sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 This is ridiculous. We're arguing about the reviews for one of the community's least-acclaimed works ever, from an author who never actually appeared except to release it and leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Originally Posted By: Ephesos This is ridiculous. The system works! But seriously, since TM's review is obviously outside the boundaries set by the guidelines and seems to be the only one causing problems, can't we just strike that review until he decides to fix it and leave it at that? Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 We can do whatever we want with TM's review; however, I want there to be a process in place that we can (mostly) agree upon for deciding which reviews are "good" and which ones are "bad". So yeah, we can strike this review or leave it without too much fuss except that it sets a precedent. The real question I want to resolve via debate is what happens when (and it will happen) we have this where the scenario belongs to an active designer. What is the protocol we should follow? Remember, what we do sets a precedent for future decisions. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Strike the stupid review, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I don't understand why this is such an emotionally charged issue at the moment. I want to have this discussion now before we get into a situation that *is* emotionally charged. So what happens if I (or another moderator) don't/doesn't like someone else's review? How do we decide whether to strike it or not? What are the standards we should employ? Clearly, just a moderator just arbitrarily deciding is not the way to go because we can get into a lot of trouble here. I'm not asking for a rigorous set of criteria, just some guidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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