Rotghroth Rhapsody Dark Mage Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 What is the name of the geneforge world? What is the other continent controlled by shapers? Where are the Sholai from? Maybe the sholai are the Empire people from avernum games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Geneforge and Avernum are entirely separate worlds. —Alorael, who will leave it there. There are many reasons why a link is implausible, but more importantly there are no signs that anyone in Geneforge is from the Avernum games or vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 I'm pretty sure the Geneforge world as a whole doesn't have an official name, so you may as well call it Nairamre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 There is no name for the world, really. The continent that Geneforge 4 takes place on is called Terrestia. It's pretty much the biggest landmass encountered so far, so it's as close as you'll get for a name of the world. The Shapers live on the same continent, but on the Western half, so it has the same name. We don't know how big it is, there could be a lot more, or not. We don't know the name of where the Sholai live. We do know the Ashen Ises. And we assume that Drypeak Vale is somewhere in Western Terrestia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Ignore Crypto. Call it GeneWorld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The Duke Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 If the Shapers rule the world maby its called Shapetopia??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Gabriel Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 The world of Geneforge is as big or small as you want to imagine. I'd imagine it is very much bigger though since crossing a zone on foot is sometimes refered to as a days journey. I'd guess the Shaper's main continent would be many hundreds of zones across. I don't think it is even fully colonized because they are still building colonies and shaping plant forms that haven't spread across the world yet. I'm guessing "middle ages" population levels, small pockets of population centers, and many miles of wilderness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Well, their main continent would probably be in much better shape than Terrestria, even before the Rebels attacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Originally by Dark Mage: Quote: Where are the Sholai from? The only description Dikiyoba knows of for the Sholai lands comes from Masha in G1. It is a cold, harsh, icy land somewhere across the western sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Retlaw May Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 I wonder if we ever will get to see the more settled continent of the Shapers. It is said that that is where the most Shapers are, so far you have stayed on (or just off) of their second, less settled continent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Dark Mage Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 BELIEVE me that if one day jeff makes a game based in a very populated continent it would only be in case that the entire continent is dying and you won't see almost anyone anyway...Just think; Terrestia should be great but it's destroyed...Valorim should be great too, specially Tinraya but it were a mess in A3. If we ever see Pralgad we will only be there to see the ruins and ashes of the great continent. THAT IS WHAT SPIDERWEB GAMES ARE ALL ABOUT. Edit: Sorry for taking pralgad as example, it may be confusing to some new people, pralgad is the capital continent in avernum games but it's the biggest continent I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Well, it makes sense that we never see densely populated areas. As the adventuring type, your character needs monsters, rogues, and other baddies to kill. Those are prevalent in the wilderness, not in and around cities. And densely populated areas don't have nearly as many quests, because there are couriers and guards and such to help keep order. Finally, doing dialogue for all the people would just be too difficult to do. So we're stuck in areas without a lot of people. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Dark Mage Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 Yeah you're right, otherwise the game would be about assassinating people or releasing a deadly power or something intended for killing people, not monsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Vicheron Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Don't the Shapers control two continents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Retlaw May Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Yeah, the one we haven't seen is where there power base is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I'm pretty sure it was just one continent, where did you hear two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I think it was somewhere in GF3. It wasn't in GF1, since it only referred to it as the Mainland, and I don't think it was mentioned in GF2 either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Men are from Slars Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 It's worth pointing out that G1-4 all occur relatively close to each other. Sucia Island, while in the middle of the ocean, is described as being not too far from Dillame (yes, Dillame is mentioned in G1). Drypeak Valley is just west of Burwood Province, and the Ashen Isles are north of the northeast part of Terrestia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Slarty: Sucia Island, while in the middle of the ocean, is described as being not too far from Dillame (yes, Dillame is mentioned in G1). Really? That's strange. If the Sholai lands are West of Sucia, but Sucia is East of Terrestia (it would have to be in order to be near Dillame) then wouldn't that mean Trajkov would have to pass Terrestia in order to get to Sucia? Great, I feel like one of those nerds that over-analyses Star Trek or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Men are from Slars Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Well, who knows what that one Sholai meant by the western sea. Western relative to the Sholai homeland, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 But it wasn't Masha who said the western sea. It was the PC (though indirectly). Hmm. Does it ever say that the Sholai are from the west? They traveled across the western sea for sure, but could they have sailed from the south or north? Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt I_am_a_Minotaur Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Thyey probably came from the Northwest or something. They most likely came from the north since they came from a cold and icy place. They also could have come from the south. A much less likely scenario is that the map isn't up=north, down=south etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I apologize for this image's condition, imageshack likes to butcher them when I choose the resize option. Anyway... does this seem at all plausible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Micawber Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Terrestia definitely isn't the only shaper continent. From the Geneforge 3 intro: Sorry Tully, time to redraw the map... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Damn it, you couldn't have posted that when I asked about it a few posts ago? Oh, well. Just imagine another continent to the South or possibly West. North is unlikely since that is where the Ashen Isles are and East is unlikely because then they would have to pass Sucia to travel between the two. Does anyone have the exact "Western Sea" text? Hmm... what if the world is round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Men are from Slars Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Ack. ET, I have to apologize; Drypeak isn't west of Burwood, it's west of Illya. I mixed up the province names. Anyway, that doesn't look terribly plausible. I looked up the "western sea" references in G1. There are actually two. One is just the narration, as Dikiyoba pointed out. The other is Gnorrel (the leader of the Takers, and Trajkov's ally). Here's all the relevant text plus the text about Sucia and Dillame's location: GNORREL: "There are humans on this island, who have come from far across the western sea" MASHA: "We are people from land far away. Icy land, harsh, across sea. We are great explorers, so we came here." This makes sense. No Shaper has ever crossed the western sea. Some consider it to be impassable. ENDING: You depart Sucia island at last, setting course for the mainland. The island was not as remote as you imagined it. It is only fifty miles from the nearest Shaper settlement. Fifty miles and two centuries. In but a day, you arrive at the coastal settlement of Dillame. There are a dozen Shapers there, working to tame this wild coast, populate it with friendly fauna, and make it safe for settlement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I suppose if we can't make the geography make sense, we can always assume there's more than one settlement named Dillame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I've got it! The world is round! Assuming the Shapers know that the world is round (most early earthly cultures had no trouble with this one) and also assuming that the 'other continent' is where the capital is located (Dillame, one of the bigger cities in Terrestia, is refered to as 'wild') then I can explain the rest! The Western Sea would be named for it's location relative to where the capital continent is, same with the Eastern Sea. Thus, Terresita is across from the Eastern Sea. However, since the Shapers are unable to traverse the Western Sea, they probably assume (mmm, ethnocentrism) that there must be nothing out there and the sea therefore loops around the globe where it then borders with Eastern Terrestia. That explains why the Western Sea borders Eastern Terrestia. Little do the Shapers know, the Sholai lands are right in the middle of their supposesly monolithic Western Sea. Behold: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Actually, the Shapers do know that the Sholai live across the Western Sea. And, since their lands are referred to as cold and hostile, try moving them up north, so they're not in between the two Shaper continents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 They know now, of course, but what I'm saying is that they didn't know it when they named their seas. As for the Sholai continent being more North, that is one possibility, but not the only reason as to why it might be so cold there. Ocean currents and elevation are just as likely. I'll leave it as an ambiguous blob for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 I'd thought of this idea myself, but there are a couple of problems with it. For one thing, I don't think we ever hear "western sea" used as a proper noun rather than simply a descriptive term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Thuryl: I'd thought of this idea myself I said it first! I get to name it! 'The Tullegolar Projection' should do. Anyway, I don't think capitalization is necessary when your seas are named just for their directions relative to a specific point (the Shaper home continent). When the PC thinks "no Shaper has ever crossed the western sea" he is clearly refering to a specific sea, and most likely not just the sea west of Sucia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Stillness Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:Great, I feel like one of those nerds that over-analyses Star Trek or something. Yeah, I think your feeling is dead on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Retlaw May Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 I always pictured the two Shaper continents connected, but having some geographical obstical between them (ie mountains) or something like North and South America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Milla Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 The two continents connected makes sense to me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 But then where would I put the eastern sea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Jeran Korak Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Stillness: Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:Great, I feel like one of those nerds that over-analyses Star Trek or something. Yeah, I think your feeling is dead on. *Reaches for phaser rifle* Are you suggesting something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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