Kyshakk Koan Firecage Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 There are rumors that the vahnatai created nephelim, slitherkai, humans, ect. Maybe the vahnatai are shapers that gone and hid underground after bieng beaten. Also. In Avernum 4. A vahnatai says he is not a Shaper. What did he mean by it? Are the vahnatai truly the logn lost shapers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma olop4444 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Also, Vahnatai Mages in A2 are called Vahnatai Shapers, but I don't really think that all the creations would have just "gone" away. Most of them can't breed, so they probably wouldn't have evolved into the other various creatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Quote: Originally written by lordofdc:There are rumors that the vahnatai created nephelim, slitherkai, humans, ect. Maybe the vahnatai are shapers that gone and hid underground after bieng beaten. Also. In Avernum 4. A vahnatai says he is not a Shaper. What did he mean by it? Are the vahnatai truly the logn lost shapers? Yes, and they became twisted and deformed into Vahnatai after an accident with asbestos. Just for clarity - no. No they are not Shapers. They will never be Shapers, and they never been Shapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk John S Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Quote: Originally written by The Sisters Cassidy.: Quote: Originally written by lordofdc:There are rumors that the vahnatai created nephelim, slitherkai, humans, ect. Maybe the vahnatai are shapers that gone and hid underground after bieng beaten. Also. In Avernum 4. A vahnatai says he is not a Shaper. What did he mean by it? Are the vahnatai truly the logn lost shapers? Yes, and they became twisted and deformed into Vahnatai after an accident with asbestos. Just for clarity - no. No they are not Shapers. They will never be Shapers, and they never been Shapers. But what if they were Shapers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Let's end this heresy once and for all. Avernum and Geneforge exist on separate worlds. Vahanatai shapers work with crystals and Geneforge shapers work with organic life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Taliesin Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 And never the twain shall meet. Well, actually Avernum 5 has a lot of Geneforge graphics. So I guess you could guess stuff like Searing Wyrmkin = Searing Artila Fire lizard = Fyora Eyebeast = Eyebeast (no duh) Drake = Drayk etc. It's still anathema. Feel free to connect Avernum with Nethergate, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Firecage Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 But it would be a nice plot twist for a new Avernum game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice ex post slarto Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 The Nine-Headed Cave Cow frowns upon this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Yet I sense Drakey smiling upon it. No, it's not game canon. It's not even mentioned as sub-canon on EE (because Relhan & Drakefyre is mentioned but not actually described), although it is linked to as an external resource. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I should add that even Vahnatai Creationism in its accepted form does not posit any link whatsoever with Geneforge or Shapers. It merely claims that the Vahnatai did, at one time in the remote past, dabble in biomancy(?) and created the Nephilim, Slithzerikai, Humans, Chitrach and several other species, which culminated in their displacement from the surface in a rebellion by those same species. The parallels to Geneforge are (while unlikely to be accidental) completely meaningless in character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 We know that the vahnatai do some magic that involves making new species. A3 mentions it, for sure, in the context of Rentar and the monster plagues (these were monsters that Rentar created). So the vahnatai do shape, in that sense, and they shaped even before GF ever existed. But I think it's much more reasonable to say, based on appearances, that the Shapers are habnabits than that they are vahnatai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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