Articulate Vlish FZ Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Ok, anyone want to make any guesses/place any bets on what is inside the mysterious locked door in Benerii-Uss? I'm guessing its some kinda of demon, since we know that the Awakened had one and the barzites had two, and we don't want the takers to miss out... Maybe even a demon portal, a living one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Alexander Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Well, it might be some sort of spawner, who will spit out horrible, devestating creatures in GF3. Then again, it might be a demon like FZ said. Or maybe its just a... sweet little kitten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish FZ Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Quote: Originally written by Reality Corp.:Or maybe its just a... sweet little kitten Dear Lord No!! Arggghhh.... Interesting question, why no cats or dogs in GF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Alexander Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Well, why have a dog when there are roamers that blow up when people pet them? I mean, its much more fun that way and if you lose it, you can go and shape another one. --Told you not to pet my pyroroamer. See what happens? Can't see at all now, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila waffleguy Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 kill the kitten!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Doctor Albert Halfmann Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Perhaps Eass has learned how to create Shapers. Or resurrect those that are long-dead. However, most people seem to think that the creature behind the door is some sort of heavily-augmented drakon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Vicheron Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I think that it's either a Gazer/Eyebeast or some kind of Alien Queen like Spawner. Or maybe the Takers were able to resurrect one of the original Sucia Island Shaper's enemies. I don't think it's a demon since all the demons in GF2 simply want to go back to their realm. Although it could be some kind of creation/demon hybrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Faizah Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I think it's either a drakon, or a spawner that creates drakons... My reasoning for this: Drakons can shape. They can create drakons. So, bam, there's another drakon in the cell. They either battle it out or create more drakons. Eventually, it leads to a fight of some kind, and only the strongest survive. Although, this seems like more of a Barzite strategy, now that I think about it... Who thinks that the strongest of Gazak-Uss will be back in GF3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Suspicious Vlish Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Quote: Perhaps Eass has learned how to create Shapers Yes! That is one of my 'theories'. The Shapers made Drakons. Now the Drakons make Shapers. Ahh, the irony. After all, since the Shapers made Drakon (well, the Barzites did), doesn't that make the Shapers stronger than the Drakons, in a way? Quote: However, most people seem to think that the creature behind the door is some sort of heavily-augmented drakon. *spoiler* This doesn't make sense, since in the Taker ending, you already have heavily augmented drakons. Why would one augmented drakon in a cell be seen as a threat, since there are already thousands flying about? Quote: I think that it's either a Gazer/Eyebeast One of my other 'theories'. A demon would probably be another good guess. Maybe Eass has learnt how to control hostile spirits. Quote: They either battle it out or create more drakons. Eventually, it leads to a fight of some kind, and only the strongest survive. Ahhh, evolution at work. So, my main 3 ideas are... - Shaper - Eyebeastie - Demon-spirit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Chivlan Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 It's an angry englishman, who's rage, when leashed out, will kill everything around. Mainly because of the accent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Doctor Albert Halfmann Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Well, Waylander, when I said "heavily-augmented drakon," I meant extremely augmented, even more so than Eass post-augmentation. Perhaps the door is Jeff's way of introducing an entirely new creation for GF3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Abu Dhabi Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 ahem. the takers wrote that the geneforge worked. that probably means that they tested it in the early stages of. "it doesnt work till i see it work". so my best guess is that they improved one of them and it became so dangerous/insane/both that they with great care locked it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Faizah Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Quote: Originally written by Stughalf:Perhaps the door is Jeff's way of introducing an entirely new creation for GF3. I think this is the most likely suggestion yet, personally. Though, I still like my 'evolution' idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma M6mmi Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Maybe its.....*oh the horror*..Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish FZ Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Whatever it is, I have my doubts that its is a dracon. Mostly because the game makes the explicit point that the door is "cool to the touch". This suggests a more long-term, unliving type of evil than your standard mad shaper/eyebeast/dracon, in which case we should be looking at "surprisingly warm" or "throbbing with power" sort of thing. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. I just think that Inner Gazhad-Uss is the place for deadly taker creation experiments. This ought to be something else. I like the portal idea, because I see Jeff as taking GF3 much closer into the heart of the Shaper Hegemony, which I don't see if we are still going to base our Next Big Threat in the middle of Taker lands. Of course, it would be very interesting if it turned out to be an Augmented, Ressurected Trajikov... Mwahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Armonis Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I'm bettin' on the fluffy kitten idea. Really though, I think that it's some sort of porthole into the underworld that enables demons to escape and suck the life out of everything. Then we can have Geneforge 3: No We're Not Copying Diablo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd j ball Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 im a big fan of the shaper idea. it would work with the "cool to touch" clause. but how long do shapers live? but do you think that the location of gf3 will change? 1 and 2 were totally different. if the third is in the same place, the terrain would be the same (and the cities would probably be in the same place, as it is easy to build a city on top of another vs. cutting down new trees eg fire of chicago) or maybe some of the geneforge was brought to the cave, even a tiny amount. it could have stayed there for years untouched and then start mutating the bacteria that was living there. it would only take several hundred years for the juicehead bacteria to advance to a formidable size, and may even gain enough intelligence to shape new creatures. after all, we used to be bacteria billions of years ago. juicehead bacteria would just speed up the process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Alexander Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Quote: Originally written by j ball: after all, we used to be bacteria billions of years ago. Hopefully you are referring to the idea in the game. Otherwise, I would have to disagree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Shilaroud-the-second Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 can anyone say cryodrakon? the next level of drakon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Vicheron Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 There's quite a few problems with the creation being a drakon. Drakons are huge, which means that it'll be easily discovered once it is let loose. Even though the Shaper's council is slow to make decisions, they're not going to just ignore a giant flying rogue creation. If it's a gazer/eyebeast, it can mind control people and evade the council while it builds its army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila b Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Why would it just be a creation? It seems to me that to be the huge threat that the suspense makes it out to be it will have to be something with a little more "shock and awe" value than just a bigger better creation-that-we've-already-seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Faizah Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Quote: Originally written by Melaw the Mage:Why would it just be a creation? It seems to me that to be the huge threat that the suspense makes it out to be it will have to be something with a little more "shock and awe" value than just a bigger better creation-that-we've-already-seen. True... It could be anything. Maybe even a recipe for the Geneforge. (mix 1 puddle of goop with 1 part augmented drayk, bring to the boil, stir) Or some new kind of canister, perhaps for serviles... The takers seem like the most likely to try and make servile-friendly canisters... And then not let the serviles use them. The possibilities are endless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Doctor Albert Halfmann Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 I fear that, after we have gone through all these wondrous ideas and speculations, whatever Jeff comes up with for GF3 will seem to be very poor, indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Djur Revolutions Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Behind the door is a special Speculation Plot Coupon. I.E., it's very possible that there's nothing specific behind the door at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish FZ Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 Quote: I.E., it's very possible that there's nothing specific behind the door at all. Shh... But that's boring... Back to the Trajikov idea... Do we actually have any explicit evidence in GF2 that Trajikov was killed at the end of GF1? All I seem to remember is Pinner telling me that the GF1 shaper refused to aid him, and called for help from the shaper council.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Icshi Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 I'm still hoping that Easss summoned Cthulhu, or maybe even the Crawling Chaos Nyarlathotep, and in his power-crazed state merely boasted to his friends that *he* created the Stygian Lovecraftian pantheon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Doctor Albert Halfmann Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Quote: Do we actually have any explicit evidence in GF2 that Trajikov was killed at the end of GF1? I distinctly remember someone in GF2, perhaps Syros, mention that Trajkov took too many canisters, went insane, and had his throat slit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish FZ Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 Quote: Their leader was named Trajkov. He used too many canisters and went mad. The Shapers killed him. I fled and lived. Akkat Hmm, but this appears to contradict a number of facts from GF1. First, Trajikov seems to be the one person not to go insane, either from canisters or even using the geneforge itself. Second, in all ending, Trajikov wins providing you do not kill him yourself. (IIRC) My conspiracy theory, then, is that the drayk Takers, being suspicious of humans (notice the destruction of the humans of Medab in the Taker ending), betrayed him, and locked him up in the little room, covering this up from the serviles and the lower ranks. Who needs a tiresome real person, who may disapprove of what they are doing, when a symbolic martyr works better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Alexander Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Well, it mentions at the ending that "something" is growing. In what way would Trajkov be able to grow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Silver Shadow Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Maybe they shaped him like they do to you when you join the Takers? If you can make machine/creations, why not Shaper/plants? Kinda reminds me of Trigun... I'm guessing the new creation type. Cryodrakons would be interesting. Seeing how much damage my Ur-Drakon did to the rogues around Gazak-Uss, though, makes me wonder how powerful you can make someone without it getting down to DBZ mode. The forever annnoying, "I'm stronger than you! Die!" "No you're not! Hah, you're dead! I'm the strongest!" Perhaps Jeff will make it so you can't make the Drakons, Gazers, and Rothgroths, and instead have some new creatures. ...You could come in as an apprentice caught in the middle of the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Fyora Toast With Roamer Butter Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 If we are talking cthulhu why not Shub Nigurath beast of a thousand young. An intelligent mobile magic using spawner that spits out various kinds of creations and can attack you. Imagine the damage the jaws of a spawner could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila waffleguy Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Stop posting here people you all might ruin the surprise. on second thought by the time GF3 comes out we will all forget what we wrote here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Faizah Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Quote: Originally written by Waffle Guy:Stop posting here people you all might ruin the surprise. on second thought by the time GF3 comes out we will all forget what we wrote here. Might I suggest, politely, that you stop reading this topic? People need an outlet to theorize about things like this. Just remember, no-one here knows what is behind that door, so technically there aren't any spoliers here. And if you're reading this, your curiousity is probably just as insatiable as everyone else reading this thread. Let us speculate, or our heads might explode. Or ache. It's all the same. By the time Geneforge 3 comes out? Heck, I've forgotten what my original theory was already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Schnarrd Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 I believe the most likely scenerios are either a demonic being or a portal to a demonic realm. In support of these theories, consider that Jeff always leaves clues as to the plot of sequal games - in Geneforge 1, for example, he mentioned several times specifically that drayks were so intelligent and independent that they were banned by the shaper council. Consequently, one only has to consider which creatures were introduced in Geneforge 2, but only superficially. Drakons were covered pretty well, but both gazers / eyebeasts and demons have plenty of room for development. Plus, Jeff seems to like using creatures from the demonic realm in his games (remember the Exile and Avernum series!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish FZ Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 Indeed. I half expect Tuldaric to turn out to be the re-incarnation of good old Linda of Exile... Shame there isn't an option to ask him about "herbs" Hmm... I detect another inconsistency... Compare the relative power of the Takers in GF1 and GF2. Clearly, they are far more powerful - they have dracons, rotgroths, eyebeasts, shade summoners, they are less affected by discipline wands, they have strong drayk allies, and they can MAKE geneforges. But, whereas in the GF1 taker ender they crush the shapers utterly and set up a new world order, in GF2 they only manage to meet a bloody stalemate. How come? I think it is either in-fighting, which our augmented Trajkov would be involved with... or that the GF2 ending compresses the timescale less. In short: GF2 may in fact not be set in an awakened victory scenario, but actually is set *during* Trajkov's war - Trajkov instead opting to go into hiding after being augmented, using the Taker drayks as a smokescreen while he builds up his real, earth-shattering power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish FZ Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 <Argg!... Double post!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Silver Shadow Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 An excellent theory, FZ. It would make GF3 pretty interesting if they used the Takers' ending. If you were caught between the two sides, and maybe a small settlement of Awakened. (since they just don't die) Hm... that's only 3 sects, though. There'd have to be two more, to continue the trend. <wild, crazy theory> Maybe the Takers will recreate the serviles so they can shape, too. Then some of them will rebel, like the Sholai in GF1, and go hide somewhere. And reseach new creations. And create an army. And destroy BOTH sides! </wild, crazy theory> That was fun. Maybe there'll be a settlement of Gazers. They did have some kind of system, and a referance to "the eye," probably themselves. They're also intelligent enough to do such a thing. I wouldn't dare speculate on the Rotigroths, though. (shudder) Like Battle Alphas, only worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish plazma Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 my bet is eass learned how to summon spirits and such but not control them and summons something to powerful then stuffs it in the room near the drakons i think its a super powered ghost drakon/drayk mainly because it was in the drakon holding pen the other reason is it goes with the ghost/creation theory because of the containment spell things on the sides of the rug of cours it could be shanti's ghost or someone elses lol who knows but jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Shilaroud-the-second Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 maybe its an entire room full of goo? or like a "safe" goo that is being tested. goo is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Reality Corp. Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Stughalf, what about attack ferrets? You didnt mention them yet in this post! *looks very surprised* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Electric Ferret Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I myself have not completed the game or come across this door, but by reading your posts i have come up with a theory... What if behind the door is imprisoned somekind of undead lich like Shaper zombie who will escape in GF3 and cause much havoc and raise armies and in GF3 there will be a war wivh will lead to THE END OF THE WORLD!!!... but that's just my theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Doctor Albert Halfmann Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Quote: Originally written by Reality Corp.:Stughalf, what about attack ferrets? You didnt mention them yet in this post! *looks very surprised* Ah, well, the reason for that is that I have been absent from the GF2 boards for several days. I have no more suggestions for improvement, but I spy a possible fellow ferret enthusiast nearby. Could it be?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Theaf2 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Why why why are you interested in what is behind the door? It could be a Shaper slave community. or it could be a tunnel to the floor beneath the shaper councle but dose it matter. For all you can tell it's a 20,000 pound ornk that they don't want anyone to know about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Silver Shadow Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Apparently, you haven't completed the game, Theaf. Since that's so, I will refrain from beating your theories into the ground. Except for the 20,000 pound ornk. Ornks, as far as we know, are warm-blooded, like pigs. Therefore, since the door was cold, this is highly unlikely. Now go finish the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer OlliE Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Maybe it's an ornk canister. Having the power of creating endless streams of ornks should not be underestimated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila The Red Shaper Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 This is my very First post to this site. I'll been playing G1, and G2, plus the avernum series, and in a word, Fun. My take on the mysterious locked door is to ask this question? When the takers discovered the cure for the servile disease, did they happen to try modifing it and see how bad it could get? Like in "The Stand" by Stephen King. or even better (for the takers) make it targeted towards shapers, and create a creation to be host and grim reaper of all Shapers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Silver Shadow Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Oooh. Diseases. Good thought, Red. Eass can technically "create" a disease. Jeff could have deliberatly made the ending so ambigous that we'd automatically guess it was a creation. Or maybe a rotagroth with the disease. (I just can't spell those nasties' names correctly, and I'm too lazy to look it up... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Apollyon Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I think the portal idea is the one to go with. This is what it is: it is a portal created by the ancestors of the shapers. They guarded it with a powerful locking spell that the takers couldn't even break and left it for a certain somone (you in GF3) to come and open it. It is a portal to their last settlement, kinda but not exactly like the third Avernum. These people are nice to you but become angry when the council follows you in and creates an uproar with what they call "dipomacy". You must spend the game dealing with the council and with this civilization and try to restore these peoples' way of life before they loose control and destroy everything. Of course there will be random factions that will offer you insane amounts of power in exchange for the gewl hanging from the neck of the chief of the good people so they can finish research on an insanely powerful device that kills everyone but you dont know that to the end so you cant know not to join them until then That's just my thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Publicly Displayed Name: Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Quote: Originally written by Apollyon:I think the portal idea is the one to go with. This is what it is: it is a portal created by the ancestors of the shapers. They guarded it with a powerful locking spell that the takers couldn't even break and left it for a certain somone (you in GF3) to come and open it. The game specifically states that the thing behind the door is the final creation of Eass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Vicheron Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Maybe it has something to do with the Shaper's ancient enemies. Maybe the Takers met Heustess before they were taken from Sucia Island and learned his secrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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