Burgeoning Battle Gamma ToddMcF2002 Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Coming off of Avadon to Avernum IV I was struck by how much brighter the palette is. I missed that, and find myself preferring less dun colors, shades of browns and dull greens. There is just no vibrancy in Avadon. Yes I realize this thread is trivial so just throwing it out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 You're saying the caves have a brighter palette? —Alorael, who can't say he ever got that impression. He's just always relieved that the grass is not neon green as it was in Exile 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 I'd say Avadon 1 has greener grass than Avernum 6 (KVA :Lands vs Fort Draco area). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Necris Omega Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Well if the remakes include the psychotropic ultra high sat. purples and aquas of Exile, Avadon might as well be done in the Sin City style by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma ToddMcF2002 Posted September 4, 2011 Author Share Posted September 4, 2011 In all honesty I am coming from the Geneforge camp which is very colorful, but I have played a good chunk of the Avernum 4 demo and it has a brighter palette than Avadon. Having finished Avadon, I certainly appreciate the animation improvements and the general level of detail, but Avadon feels like one big "cloudy day" due to the muted palette. There were a few notable exceptions though. Zhethron's Aerie (richer reds) and Castle Vebeaux (brighter areas and blues) were a nice departure from the rest. Again this is really trivial but I've been thinking about it so hey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Quiconque Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 This is the first time I have EVER heard A4 described as having a bright palette. The dull colors are a question of taste, I guess. I've argued for brighter colors for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Couldn't find any screenshots of Avermun 4 where was grass and not that interested to download demo to see A4 grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 How can there be subbteranion grass? Grass uses photosynthesis. So It needs sun to be alive, so there cant be any grass, theres just lightly colored spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 There's no grass. But there could be! 1. Magical light in the caves could support very hardy grass. 2. Magic. —Alorael, who thinks there was already a discussion of using aphotosynthesis to drive glucose production with darkness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 X3 quote "this is a tree!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Avernum has alot bushes and trees too so why not grass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Never saw any bushes, and a tree is somthing that gathers nutrients from the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, rebel servile. Never saw any bushes, and a tree is somthing that gathers nutrients from the ground. Trees gather nutrients from the ground, but so does grass and any other plant with roots. They also use photosynthesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Don't they need water too? I never see rain in any of these games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Well the dampness of the caves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I was talking about the surface... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Dude, its a RPG video game, not alot have rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I remember playing a game that had periodic rain and found it kind of annoying. If it's a real time RPG I guess it isn't so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I have played many RPGs with rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Name 5. I played RPG a many, and I never saw any rain. 700th POST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 1. It's Raining Cats and Dogs 2. It's Raining 3. Prancin' In the Rain 4. Heavy Rain 5. Under the Rain Any questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Yes, are those real RPG on the internet/game system? or are those from your imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I'll assume you mean rain in various explorable areas, as opposed to just in cutscenes, since there are plenty of examples of the latter. The former is a bit rarer, but definitely happens. The Final Fantasy series has a lot of examples. Offhand: Final Fantasy 9, 12, and 13, Diablo 2, and World of Warcraft. I'm pretty certain there are others (I think Elder Scrolls: Morrowind and/or Oblivion?), but those 5 are all I can say for certain at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I think KOTOR may have a little bit outside of the station above a planets all-water surface. how ever you cant touch it. What I mean is like rain that touches you, and you interact with it, like in star wars: the force unleashed II, the clothes dampen and it looks all soaked, and it stays that way for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I'm not sure, in that case. There are definitely weather conditions that have effects on gameplay (e.g. in FF12, in which different monsters spawn in certain areas if it's raining/snowing), but I can't recall any that have graphical effects on the PCs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 What about RPG's where the characters respond to how damaged they are. In KotOR, the characters, if they are under 25% health, lean over and hold theyre chests when they walk, or they spark(droids). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 In FFX, a character stands in three different ways during combat. The first the normal one, obviously. Then there's the exhausted-looking one when they have less than half of their HP. The last one is when they have very little health (compared to full HP), like they sprinted 5 miles or something. Oh, forgot another one. When they die, they look dead. And if you haste Tidus (the main character), he looks like he's having a seizure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 We have a winner! DING DING DING DING! An RPG that has blood? *other then the blood stains in the exile/geneforge/avadon series.* that when you get hit, blood leaks out on you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I don't suppose Killer Instinct is a valid answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 No, unless thats the name of an RPG game. A REAL RPG. EDIT: have you noticed that most times in posts where he both post we somehow get into an argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Trenton, Karoka. Please remember that these forums aren't a chatroom! Whilst it's great you both have a lot to say, and it's great you're both really getting into the games here and posting some great things, it's getting to the stage now where you're having one-line-per-post conversations with each other in a couple of threads. If you've got a lot of questions, ask them all at once, or if you think of something after you've already posted, edit it in to your previous post. Also, there's a neat private messaging where you can have conversations with each other without derailing topics! Obviously, pay as much attention to what I'm saying as you like, and remember it's not like I'm telling either of you to knock it off, just have a bit more awareness of the other posters who have to scroll through a couple of pages of you guys chatting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Well we are posting stuff relative to the conversation! the topic some how drifted from colors to RPG's and its not our fault, so we are both talking about something relative with each post. Sure maybe a sentence is off topic about somthing, but the whole posts are fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, rebel servile. Name 5. I played RPG a many, and I never saw any rain. 700th POST! Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, Diablo 2, Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights 2, (I think NwN1 had rain too, but I'm not sure and Googling was inconclusive.) Oblivion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Killer Instinct is a real game. But someday I will remake it into and RPG. Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, rebel servile have you noticed that most times in posts where he both post we somehow get into an argument? It might be because I act like a psycho and then you don't ignore the psychoness (if that's a word even). EDIT: I typed so slow that three people managed to post before me. Woot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 its not a word, allthough Tyranicus, I didnt really know if there was that many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma ToddMcF2002 Posted September 4, 2011 Author Share Posted September 4, 2011 RPG's with rain... here is a list with some variety Baldurs Gate I & II Nehrim - At Fates Edge Eschalon Book II Avadon The Witcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Ok I get it, I was wrong, you can stop listing games now. Avadon has rain? Geneforge also has rain, you can see dripping as you wander the demo, though most people dont notice it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 warcraft 3 has rain but it doesn't really effect anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma ToddMcF2002 Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 Yup Avadon has rain. It took me by surprise too since I was 80% done with the game before I ran into it (or noticed it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 There's a "cheat" in Ratchet: Deadlocked that makes it rain everywhere. It pretty useless, and slows down the game too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 As far as games where rain has an effect on anything rather than just being an atmospheric effect, there aren't many. That level of detail requires a fairly high level of programming detail and/or graphics, which restricts it to recent games. —Alorael, who enjoys how all NPCs flee for cover whenever it rains in The Witcher. It's not important or helpful, but it is entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Rain in Eschalon 2 makes your torch go out and your fire darts fizzle. And makes it darn hard to see if it happens at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, rebel servile. An RPG that has blood? *other then the blood stains in the exile/geneforge/avadon series.* that when you get hit, blood leaks out on you? Diablo II which is a good example of a game with immersing graphics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Necris Omega Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I'unno how immersing I'd call Diablo II's top-down isometric graphics... Then again, I could also say that about Oblivion's dead, doll eyed, ever staring NPCs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Perhaps we have different views of immersing. In Diablo II, my character actually runs when it runs, and arrows actually fly in the trajectories I click. A monster with an open wound will bleed continuously. I actually prefer top-down isometric graphics. God-mode views are the best. Or at least, they're the easier for me to maneuver in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 sorry guys, but modern psychological research shows that immersion is a myth. y'all are talking about a thing that doesn't exist in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Immersion is the qualities that you like in a game. —Alorael, who does think unobtrusiveness is a real and valuable quality. Obstructive mechanics are made. Ugly graphics are bad too if they're distracting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Any graphics can be destracting weather they are horrible, or bloody freaking awsome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Good graphics are rarely distracting from the game. Distracting from what you're doing, maybe, but you're still focused on playing the game and looking at things in the game. With bad graphics you can suddenly be concentrating on how unpleasant, jarring, or inscrutable the graphics are. —Alorael, who still thinks the A1-3 nephil and slith graphics have this problem. They aren't quite distinct enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Yeah, the slith is basically the same thing with differant costumes, while the human has differant faces, differant color skin Etc. Etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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