Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I hope we all remember Salassar's attempt to murder you in GF4, but isn't two assassinations enough? I just found out that once again someone comes in the middle of the night to kill you. Anyone who's already beaten him, got any advise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Delicious Vlish Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Talk down to him if you have enough leadership. He will cower and run away. Otherwise, you're boned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 How much leadership does it take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 What is your current level? If you have enough leadership (6, I believe) you can get rid of the Servile warriors and if you have even more (about 9 or so) you can avoid it entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 I got rid of the Serviles; it's just the whole entire situation of being attacked by a drakon and two kyshakks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Delicious Vlish Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Oh come on, they are total pushovers. Dominate or charm the lightning spitters. Duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 This is starting to be my catch-phrase: Repeat in a way that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Delicious Vlish Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Send in your all powerful rot army... Come on, you know you can do it! What class are you? What kind of character? How much magic do you have at your disposal? What sort of creations? Weapons? What are we working with? If I have to hold your hand in my tentacle and walk you through this, I need to know what we are working with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 I have fiery sword (12-60), or whatever it's called. One kyshakk. (No rots; I don't know how yet, but I do have an army in GF3). I'm a sorceress. 7 Leadership. Lv. 23. 6 Skill points. Enough raw material to turn into a dead drakon with two kyshakks melting in mine's stomach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Delicious Vlish Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Why have the fiery sword when as a sorceress the living knife is better? You don't need a sword. You have no melee ability and it is heavy. Level 23? Only 7 leadership? You're boned. So very boned. You should be at least level 30ish, 40 would be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 You're not going to help me? I thought you were the all-knowing super-vlish dude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Is anyone level 40 when getting to Ghaldring? I've been in the very low 30's or high 20's. —Alorael, who doesn't have any great tactical advice. You're in a straight up fight if you can't convince him to go away. Either manage to eke out a victory or back to an early save, gain some levels, and try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Oh, I have a save right before I chose to rest. I made sure of that, remembering last time I slept in a Drakon-owned bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Delicious Vlish Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I've been level 40 hitting the stoneworks. Almost to easy. I am not all powerful or all knowing. I am merely omni-flatulent. There is no cure for noobishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Hey, you're calling me a noob?! ... ... ... I totally agree. Edit: I might go and see if some drakon'll teach me Create Rotghroth. Hopefully I'll have Rotdhizon before I fight him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I have to agree that you should have been higher level or go get some more levels to bump leadership up to 9 and avoid the fight. You need some spores. First cast essence shield on yourself when you enter Gazaki-Uss. Cast regeneration aura before going to sleep. When the fight starts, toss an ensnaring fibers at the drakon to have a chance of slowing them down. Use beserker spores to buff the party. Then try dominate to get one of their kyshakks to help you or cast strong daze. If you are still alive the next round, then you need to heal and start advancing to pin a kyshakk against a wall so it can't use its lightning aura attack. Then concentrate fire on the drakon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Whoa. I didn't expect that much info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Hecate Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Originally Posted By: Delicious Vlish Why have the fiery sword when as a sorceress the living knife is better? You don't need a sword. You have no melee ability and it is heavy. Where do you get the living knife? I haven't seen it yet. Or perhaps I missed it and need to go back and look somewhere I'm still holding the Captain's Shiv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Originally Posted By: Randomizer Cast regeneration aura before going to sleep. When the fight starts, toss an ensnaring fibers at the drakon to have a chance of slowing them down. Use beserker spores to buff the party. Then try dominate to get one of their kyshakks to help you or cast strong daze. If you are still alive the next round, then you need to heal and start advancing to pin a kyshakk against a wall so it can't use its lightning aura attack. Then concentrate fire on the drakon. I agree except about the berserker spores can't you only have one aura up at a time? I find regeneration aura to be the best one in the game, although I don't have access to many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Berserker spores don't give you an aura, do they? They just cure, bless and shield you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 They give augmentation, essence shield, or essence blade. I find essence blade quite useful, about 150% (rough estimate) more damage. the other two are defensive and I haven't noticed them as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Originally Posted By: The Ratt They give augmentation, essence shield, or essence blade. I find essence blade quite useful, about 150% (rough estimate) more damage. the other two are defensive and I haven't noticed them as much. No, you're thinking of chaotic spores. You can only have one aura (regen/thorns/mindshield/elemental) and one essence blessing (shield/armour/blade/infusion) at a time, but auras and essence blessings are independent of each other: you can have one of each at the same time. Essence Blade, unlike the other essence blessings, does wear off over time. It's very powerful, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Right and shield reduces the damage while you reduce the sources of damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Serene Tempest Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 It sounds like you're trying to play a Sorcerer as if you were playing a Servile or a Guardian. I'd say that life would go much easier on you if you had a nice meatshield or two. I hear Rots are pretty sweet, but I was playing a character (a Sorceress, incidentally) who followed Shaper law on my first run through, so I wouldn't know. Plated Crawbugs or Battle Betas work nicely, and with Regeneration Aura to free you up from constantly healing them, you should be able to play to your class's strengths better, rather than having to carry around a flaming sword that your class can use the least effectively of anyone (well, tied with Shapers/Lifecrafters). Another viable strategy (at least in GF 4, and I assume it would still work in GF 5) is to play a sort of sniper/guerrilla warrior, playing a strong-magic character and running a small number of missile based creations, to sneak up on enemies and either kill or cripple them with a single surprise barrage, and use daze/dominate/charm/mass madness for crowd control if you get in trouble. Of course, if your party was built up for that, this fight would be rather painful, as you're facing three enemies with very high hit points who are perfectly content trading missile attacks with you. Unless you can charm one of his Kyssaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Originally Posted By: Serene Tempest Another viable strategy (at least in GF 4, and I assume it would still work in GF 5) is to play a sort of sniper/guerrilla warrior, playing a strong-magic character and running a small number of missile based creations, to sneak up on enemies and either kill or cripple them with a single surprise barrage, and use daze/dominate/charm/mass madness for crowd control if you get in trouble. Of course, if your party was built up for that, this fight would be rather painful, as you're facing three enemies with very high hit points who are perfectly content trading missile attacks with you. Unless you can charm one of his Kyssaks. Ah, the glass gatling gun strategy. This is what I did on my G5 playthrough. You can do it with either a lifecrafter or a sorceress (or even a Shock Trooper, although that tends to involve less mental magic and more batons): there are advantages and disadvantages to each, but it works out more or less the same. It's less effective in G5 than it was in G4 because of the changes to haste, but it's still quite viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 That does sound like a very good way to play Geneforge. The one problem is this: I am so occupied saving up for creations that I cannot splurge my money on a spell. And I usually forget about all of my spells. This happens to me in all RPGs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Serene Tempest Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I actually did it with an Infiltrator and a pair of Drakys, so slightly more durable than a Sorceress or Lifecrafter. Maybe a ceramic gatling gun? Now that I think about it, a baton-focused Servile might work well for this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Serviles don't have enough essence to have creature reliance like that. You're better off as a tank with a baton. —Alorael, who does not think Geneforge is a game particularly forgiving of not having or using spells. You can do it, but it's rather more challenging than the game is intended to be. As others have said often, if you don't have basic healing spells you are going to die a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 I have minor heal, but as I have said before, I don't like to spend my money on spells. I save up for the awesome creations, like Rotghroth or Gazer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 You've said it before, but that's poor optimization. Many of the spells are much cheaper than the upper tier creations and you'll get a lot of use out of them. It's not as though gold is so limited that you won't be able to make your necessary purchases. —Alorael, who isn't even sure how you've managed to get to where you are with only Minor Heal. The other healing spells are practically required. And many useful spells are available from books and canisters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 I haven't gotten to the point where canisters are that common. *thinks wistfully of how early this happened in GF3* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk pitchblack Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Yeah, Uber, I got the same problem here. My strategy: Die a lot, lot, lot, and figure out the best way to beat a certain segment that way. Edit: Although I wasn't halfway into the game with only Minor Heal. That is just crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 If you complete sidequests and collect all the sellable items in the game, you should have enough money for all the spells and creations you want. Just remember to only buy one level in each spell, not two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 Unless it's a really good spell. Edit: And I'm going right now to learn a better heal. Even I admit that it's rash and dangerous to go without a good healing spell as far as I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I would suggest investing in healing craft. I would have ended up in situations like the ones you are in, if not for healing spells (And area effect items, but those aren't exactly spells). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 If it's a really good spell, it'll still be a really good spell without paying 2000 gold for 5 more points of damage per casting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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