Garrulous Glaahk tbg10101 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 My theory is that canisters are actually pressurized gas cylinders made of an incredibly strong clear metal. When the user break the seal at the top, a computer system in the lid is activated and regulates the combination of the gas and water. The gas is an enzyme designed to make slight modification to the user's DNA. The computer then oversees the injection into the user via osmosis. When inactive, canisters are merely stasis pods to stop the decay process of the enzyme. The swirling observed in the canisters is simply an effect of the stasis process. These canisters are obviously alien in design, along with the Geneforge. These designs were picked up by the indigenous humans. The computers are grown from crystals in a fractal design that, when a slight electric current is put though, creates a small yet incredibly complex electron reactor. Any questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Huh. I hadn't thought about it before, but it seems as though it would be pretty simple to imagine that the canisters just contain a virus. Viruses are known to go around altering DNA in very specific ways, and that's precisely what canisters do. I guess this doesn't account for the fact that the canisters have addictive/psychoactive properties, too, though. Maybe something about the delivery mechanism: they're viruses that have been placed in jars of addictive substances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Zummi Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Or maybe...it's the virus themselves that causes the addiction. And as all virus are, they have bad effects on the host, hence the psychoactive behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I guess it's possible that a virus could alter cells to produce more of one of the endogenous substances that act at the same receptors as psychoactive drugs do (i.e. endorphins, anandamide). If you had a class of viruses that all did that, and each one also produced subtle changes in DNA that gave new abilities, you'd probably have something very similar to the canisters. They'd have to be non-contagious but able to spread rapidly throughout the body, which I'd imagine is possible but unusual. This would explain the dulling of certain parts of the brain, too, since some psychoactive drugs do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk tbg10101 Posted August 21, 2008 Author Share Posted August 21, 2008 This enzyme might alter DNA in undesirable ways as well as giving the user special powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Feo Takahari Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 One thing worth noting is that the rebels apparently have enough of an understanding of the technology to modify it. In G1, Learned Pinner said that using canisters kills serviles instantly, but you can use canisters when playing as a servile in G4 and get no more ill effects than usual. As for how the technology originated, it seems to be a relic of the Sucia island civilization that invented Shaping, then destroyed itself in civil war. (For more information, get into that temple in G1 that requires you to touch a bunch of pylons first, or else find the "Conspiracy theory" entry in this forum and click on the link.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Lord Safey Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Something can be psychological addicting with out their to be need for any chemical addiction (bitting you nails chewing on a pencil). As far as the bad side effects. I tribute it two things. First is that their is a certain amount of stress when changing your body sometimes your body doesn't react well to that stress. I imagine that their is a a cumulative effect that slowly goes away. Use more then one canister is like mixing your precipitations. A licensed doctor or pharmacist spends years of training to learn how to do this safely. Even if you put in safeguards the genes will start to interact with each other and start having unattended consequences probably and judging from how canister addicts act it probably has something to do with how the neurons in your brain form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Evnissyen Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 But... what if we don't precipitate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Feo Takahari Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I think they meant "prescriptions." P.S. Regarding the "incredibly strong clear metal," in G2 we found they're made from purified steel that's been treated with essence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk tbg10101 Posted August 28, 2008 Author Share Posted August 28, 2008 Quote: in G2 we found they're made from purified steel that's been treated with essence. See? More evidence of my theory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Originally Posted By: feo takahari I think they meant "prescriptions." P.S. Regarding the "incredibly strong clear metal," in G2 we found they're made from purified steel that's been treated with essence. No, the top of the canister is made from puresteel. The canister is mostly glass. Also, riddle me this. If the canister is actually a gas delivery system powered by pressure, why does the canister melt down when used? (I suppose it is worth noting that Geneforge was originally intended to be a Sci-fi game.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Evnissyen Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Interesting... I think it's much more a fantasy game. Especially regarding the moral-play aspect. And also the fact that, apart from the gene alteration, there really isn't anything scientifically 'advanced' to be found in the game... and even the gene alteration stuff seems to have been stumbled upon accidentally through shaping means... rather than, of course, technological means. How the geneforge was stumbled upon, however, I can't answer. Maybe it's answered in G2, which I haven't played... or at the end of G1, which I never reached because I got bored slogging through area after area killing annoying things for no XP because I was 'supposed' to have cleared them 3-7 levels earlier. (Also, G1 is a little lacking as far as ongoing narrative. Area after area, with no story advancement, tends to bore a player like me. Maybe because I was used to the stronger linear narrative of G3 & G4 by the time I got around to playing it. I'm sure my reaction would've been different if I'd just come out of playing A3 and here was this new game Geneforge with a fascinating new plot and story.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Lord Safey Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Shaping over all was discovered be accident. However the canisters and geneforge was discovered because the Shapers figured out that they where altering specific genes and spent much resources learning the programing language that is our genes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Gargoyle2500 Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Hey, What about that one canister that is supposed to kill if you try to use it in Geneforge 1? I can't remember what the area it is in is called but it is on The Takers' part of the island. Also, there are two bodies next to the canister to indicate it is fatal. Is it just a trick canister or a canister gone bad or.. What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 It's just a canister that was either created bad or went bad over time. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk SamSniped Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 (hits head for not remembering) it WILL kill you.i forget where it is,though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 It's hidden somewhere in the section of marshes with Clois's hut and the vlish-guided roamers. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Originally Posted By: Nioca Also, riddle me this. If the canister is actually a gas delivery system powered by pressure, why does the canister melt down when used? My guess is that it's got some kind of protective coating inside to protect the glass, and the substance inside the canister melts the glass upon contact. Originally Posted By: Gargoyle2500 Hey, What about that one canister that is supposed to kill if you try to use it in Geneforge 1? I say it's a trap designed to destroy (or at least harm) canister junkies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Originally Posted By: The Mystic Originally Posted By: Nioca Also, riddle me this. If the canister is actually a gas delivery system powered by pressure, why does the canister melt down when used? My guess is that it's got some kind of protective coating inside to protect the glass, and the substance inside the canister melts the glass upon contact. That explains the gas, but the metal at the top of the canister is also vaporized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Maybe the top also has a similar protective coating. Who knows? In any case, when you use a canister, there's likely to be at least some leakage onto the top & sides, and with a substance that powerful, there's bound to be some destruction, regardless of its state of matter. Nioca - Good edit reason. Now that I think of it, canisters could work as weapons, especially (as I mentioned before) against canister junkies. I agree the contents would have to be under pressure, but I don't think the substance inside is a gas. I always thought of it as a sort of semi-liquid goo, maybe with a consistency similar to toothpaste or a really thick motor oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Originally Posted By: The Mystic I agree the contents would have to be under pressure, but I don't think the substance inside is a gas. I always thought of it as a sort of semi-liquid goo, maybe with a consistency similar to toothpaste or a really thick motor oil. I'm pretty sure it's stated somewhere that canisters are full of modified essence, which would make the contents liquid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Drayk Shade Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Is essence liquid? I would say some type of cold plasma... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 It's liquid. Geneforge 1 says you can make it artificially by brewing up a special mixture of herbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Drayk Shade Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Maybe it is brought forth from a liquid. When I first played I used to think it was something like the force... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Feo Takahari Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Well, it is something that you apparently use up from your body. Come to think of it, that shade on Sucia Island that talks about how the first Shapers destroyed themselves doesn't say how Shaping was invented--maybe we can argue that the first Shapers modified themselves to have some sort of essence-producing gland. If our dear Mr. Vogel permits, come the non-promised but financially likely Geneforge 6 we'll be able to stab enemy Shapers in it and make them bleed essence everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Evnissyen Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 And drink up their essence with a straw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Milla Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 During the start of G2 Essence is described as being warm and "half-alive" and only "Shapers" (Ie any being with ability of shaping) could store/absorb the essence in their bodies. This was probably a mutation that first occured on Sucia island and spread across the world when the proto-shapers left the island. Also, the genes responsible for this would've been isolated and used when creating Eass(?), Drakons and shaping ordinary humans into Lifecrafters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Evnissyen And drink up their essence with a straw? Hey, if it works for Sylar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish The Forgotton Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 god i thought that canister was funny. come to think of it i barely use cannasters as it is but that 1 made me burst out laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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