Learning Sholai

[Judanas]

According to the atlas, Obeyers can learn Sholai from Learned Jaffe but despite having joined the Obeyers, there doesn't seem to be any dialog to learn it. Is there anything that unlocks it beyond 'Being an Obeyer'? I've gotten +1 Fyora from him, so it is recognising I'm part of the Obeyers.

[Andrias]

I don't know the exact trigger but when you learn of the sholai leader you should be able to go back to him and there will be an option to tell him about it which will lead to you gaining  1 point in Sholai language 

[Randomizer]

I never found the exact trigger, but Andrias is right that after that point you can get it.

[mikeprichard]

Exact same experience/conclusions drawn here. Would like to know the exact trigger - I think even after I'd first learned of Trakjov, I still couldn't get training from Jaffee until a somewhat later point. Maybe you need at least 1 language from some other source first? That's just a guess, though.

[Mechalibur]

I think it's after meeting Masha. Rydell advises you to meet with the Sholai rebels as part of the Obeyer meta-quest. Knowing about Trajkov isn't enough in my experience.

[mikeprichard]

Thanks, Mechalibur - that probably is the trigger for the Jaffee lesson after all.

[Snowwhite]

Is there a way to learn Sholai without joining the obeyers? or the awakened.  Haven't picked a group yet.  And if I do does that make much of a difference to the rest of the game?

Edited March 14, 2021 by Snowwhite

[Randomizer]

9 minutes ago, Snowwhite said:

Is there a way to learn Sholai without joining the obeyers?

Join the Awakened or Takers.

 

You can sneak into Tovio's archives in the south corner of Kazg and learn a level. There are other places and people that can teach too.

[Snowwhite]

Thank you.  Have not yet figured out how to get into Kazg.

[TriRodent]

26 minutes ago, Snowwhite said:

Is there a way to learn Sholai without joining the obeyers? or the awakened.

I did a runthrough as completely unaligned.  There are places that will teach you without belonging to a certain sect.

 

28 minutes ago, Snowwhite said:

And if I do does that make much of a difference to the rest of the game?

 

Not that I really noticed.  It kept all three villages friendly throughout the game if that's a concern.  The ending wrap up will be a bit different than if aligned.  So, not really, no.  You'll miss out on some training/quests but nothing game changing/can't be overcome by doing things differently.

[Randomizer]

Unaligned means that none of the factions benefit from your joining them in the end scenes telling what happened to each faction. I did unaligned, too,

 

Not joining the Awakened means missing lots of combat skill training and not joining the Takers means more combat on your way through some zones unless you are a pacifist.

[Snowwhite]

Thanks for writing back.

 

How can i get into kazg if not a taker?

[TriRodent]

16 minutes ago, Snowwhite said:

 

How can i get into kazg if not a taker?

 

Leadership to the north, fighting to the south

 

(or for extra/maximum experience, fight through about 2/3rds of the south, avoiding the northeastern part of the map.  Then go out & do the leadership route north of town)

[Randomizer]

You can enter Kazg from the south by fighting through the patrols or sneaking around them on the bottom and right sides. or with enough leadership, 6 on the north side of Kazg you an enter peacefully.

[Snowwhite]

Thank you!

[Snowwhite]

One more point in leadership made all the difference.

[Snagz]

Znaf on the winding roads can teach you for a price.