Garrulous Glaahk Handyman Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 Oh well, that's a shame. As long as the judging gets done whatsoever, I suppose I can't complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 I think judgings done? I've been done with it for at least a month now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 If judging is done, where are the rankings? Hidden away in some PM or chat log? I can see one judge's rankings were sent to the contest e-mail account, but that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 Originally Posted By: Dintiradan If judging is done, where are the rankings? Hidden away in some PM or chat log? I can see one judge's rankings were sent to the contest e-mail account, but that's it. So what we're getting at is that this is my fault? I don't really like taking responsibility for my actions, so I'm not going to. I personally blame my choice of OS for not writing out my opinions and emailing them for me, but that's what you get for the cost of freedom. Isn't that what America is all about? I've emailed my rankings, which were hidden in a forgotten PM. Sorry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan tridash Posted November 10, 2010 Author Share Posted November 10, 2010 I've been rather busier than I'd anticipated, but after I've done an exam on saturday I should be able to actually finish up my judging and if possible get the rankings out....sorry again for taking ages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Handyman Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Good luck on your test! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Handyman Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 What does "bump" mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 It pushes ("bumps") a thread to the top of the forum, so that people will see it. A "bump" is used to raise a neglected or forgotten thread to get people's attention. Since the person "bumping" the threat generally has nothing to add, their post says nothing but "bump." Or you could imagine they are trying to play some strange form of forum bumper cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan tridash Posted December 4, 2010 Author Share Posted December 4, 2010 hopefully there won't be any threats involved, though they'd probably be justified by now...finished work for the term, will get this wrapped up start of this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 I really don't want to get involved in the judging aspect of the contest, since I sent in an entry. But yeah, this thing needs to be completed. Once again, remember that there were actual prizes tied to this contest, prizes that people should have gotten almost three months ago. A couple of the judges have already sent in results, so if need be, these two wonderful, exceptional people could be the only ones who determine who comes in first. I propose a tight deadline for the remaining judges. Two weeks? Maybe even one week? At any rate, this thing needs to be done by Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Originally Posted By: Dintiradan Once again, remember that there were actual prizes tied to this contest, prizes that people should have gotten almost three months ago. It's pretty bad that I forgot this, considering I'm donating one of the prizes. If you don't mind waiting until, I dunno, Wednesday/Thursday, I'll chuck my two-pence worth into the judging ring. I'll need a list of scenarios and hefty bribes from entrants, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 It would be nice to get input from multiple judges, because I think each of the entries is really good. It was hard putting them in any sort of order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Originally Posted By: Enraged Slith It would be nice to get input from multiple judges, because I think each of the entries is really good. It was hard putting them in any sort of order. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 My bad, I thought I had sent my ranks to the contest email a while ago, but apparently the sheet with my ranking was just sitting on my hard drive. It's been sent it now, and I apologize for any delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Oh hey, someone thought my scenario was good despite its incompleteness? Maybe I should get around to officially releasing it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 The results of the Randomised Contest are now available! Congratulations to all those who completed an scenario, especially Handyman who created the top entry! Also, a big thanks to Turtle, Enraged Slith, and Dantius for spending time judging the entries, and to all those who organized and helped come up with the idea for this contest. The rankings for the Randomised Scenario Contest are: 1st: Waterweb by Handyman 2nd: The Sorcerer's Apprentice by Niemand 3rd: Cradle by B.J. Earles 4th: Oops by Dintiradan 5th: The Black Crown, Part 1 by Duck 6th: Melliput Mobsters by Celtic Minstrel Unranked: Pilgrimage to Thrakos by w-dueck (Pilgrimage to Thrakos is a Blades of Exile scenario, and the judges were unable to review it) Again, congratulations to everyone who submitted an entry. I think the judges were quite impressed with the entries. A question for the community: do you want the judges' individual rankings and reviews to be published? They will be posted on the contest website. If you're eligible for a prize, don't worry, you haven't been forgotten. One of the prize donors will be contacting you shortly, probably by PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Congratulations Handyman, and also to our other, esteemed competitors! Looks like I'll need to get my act together and get my entry out to the general public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Quiconque Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 I think it's extremely lame that somebody's scenario was excluded from judgement (and potential prizes!) because it was a BoE scenario. Unless S.C. asked and expected this, but nowhere did _I_ see anything saying BoA only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Tirien Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Well, this thread IS on the BoA forum, so its not too unreasonable that he was excluded. Maybe you could make a BoE contest to make up for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 It's true that the contest was never restricted to BoA, but on the other hand judges were never required to get BoE to work and learn to play it, either. For the most part this was a failure on the part of the organizers to make a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Originally Posted By: CRISIS on INFINITE SLARTIES I think it's extremely lame that somebody's scenario was excluded from judgement (and potential prizes!) because it was a BoE scenario. Unless S.C. asked and expected this, but nowhere did _I_ see anything saying BoA only. Not going to lie, this really, really sucks for w-dueck/Sylae Corell. On the other hand, it was hard enough to get three BoA-playing judges. One less, and it wouldn't have been possible to come up with a ranking at all. If you (or any others) want to keep the BoE dream alive, please consider judging for the next contest where a BoE scenario is submitted. We're having a hard enough time keeping BoA alive as is. Again, really want to apologize to w-dueck/Sylae Corell about the way things turned out, but the wait for judges had gone on long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Players with BoE were more than welcome to step up, and I had made it clear that I wouldn't be able to play w-dueck's scenario. Even if I could get the game running on my machine, unless the scenario was for level 1 parties, I wouldn't be able to play it anyway. If you want to disqualify me from judging for that, then feel free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody BJ Back From the Beyond Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Well, third isn't bad. I would definitely like to see the judges' reviews. I'm going to take some time to clean up my scenario, maybe expand the ending a bit, before going into beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Originally Posted By: B.J.Earles Well, third isn't bad. I would definitely like to see the judges' reviews. I'm going to take some time to clean up my scenario, maybe expand the ending a bit, before going into beta. You still got a prize man, and released a good scenario. Congrats for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Aw, last place. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Sixth out of twenty-one isn't bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Congrats to everyone who completed a scenario. Is there anywhere I can download the entries? Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel Aw, last place. Oh well. Hey, last place is still a lot better then my DNF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Quiconque Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Several people discussed using BoE in this thread, and nobody ever said "can't do that." I'm not defending BoE. I prefer it to BoA, but BoE is dead and that's that. But I can tell you that if I worked for days on end on a project, submitted it to a contest, and then other people got prizes without ANYONE looking at mine, I would be pretty steamed. Wouldn't matter what the reason was. I get the dilemma of the judging. Judging takes a long time, and I agree that the judges deserve a lot of thanks and not flack. I also get the dilemma of the organizing, which takes a huge effort too, and Dintiradan deserves a lot of thanks and not flack. However, if you're going to solicit work from someone and you don't explicitly tell them that their work will be totally ignored by all the judges, I think it's incredibly irresponsible to allow their work to be totally ignored and to give out prizes to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Handyman Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Perhaps Mr. Vogel can be asked to provide a "consolation" prize to the competitor who could not be judged? It might not earn him any income, since BoE is apparently dead. Still it's just ~$25, and it would be a sign of goodwill that would increase rapport. Otherwise, I don't really know what to do, other than plan better for the future. Perhaps future contests might ask for judges *before* the beginning is announced, so it can be known whether a BoE scenario would be viable. And, even if fewer judges will use BoE than BoA, perhaps the scores from non-BoE-using judges can be statistically manipulated to infer how they would have scored the BoE scenario, given those judges' average scores, deviations, etc. This obviously isn't perfect, and may seem unfair; but no option seems ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Originally Posted By: Handyman Perhaps Mr. Vogel can be asked to provide a "consolation" prize to the competitor who could not be judged? It might not earn him any income, since BoE is apparently dead. Still it's just ~$25, and it would be a sign of goodwill that would increase rapport. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Jeff Vogel had exactly nothing at all to do with this contest. It'd surprise me if he even knew there was a contest going off. Any organisation came from the community, judging was handled by the community and the two prizes were donated by two members of the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Handyman Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 You mean Jeff Vogel, a small business owner, does not support contests that generate enthusiasm around his own products? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 No. I think he even claimed something to the effect of that he hated BoA and wished it didn't exist. We're all holding out for when he eventually gives Niemand the capacity to fix everything wrong with the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Handyman Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 That is very depressing. If he hates BoA, perhaps he could make it free, so it could at least become more widely used by amateurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 He has apparently mentioned eventual plans to do just that. Nothing has come of it yet. Originally Posted By: Dintiradan Sixth out of twenty-one isn't bad. Wait, it's out of twenty-one? I thought it was out of six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 There were only 6 BoA entrants, but I wouldn't feel discouraged since I don't think your scenario was particularly worse than the others. Its main problem was that it was unfinished. I personally voted it higher, but I had already played through a much more polished version in beta. You should try to release it soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel He has apparently mentioned eventual plans to do just that. Nothing has come of it yet. Originally Posted By: Dintiradan Sixth out of twenty-one isn't bad. Wait, it's out of twenty-one? I thought it was out of six. 21 people signed up, but only 7 completed products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Handyman Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 When will these scenarios be released? I suppose Oops already was. But the others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Unless the contest organizer(s) are adamant about it, soon, and bit-by-bit. The versions submitted to the contest were many of them somewhat rushed (mine was, anyway) and the designers would like to polish them up so that players can enjoy them maximally (at least I would, anyway). I'm working on getting mine in order; I hope to conduct beta testing over the next week or two, and get it out directly after. Celtic Minstrel was doing beta testing for his, and had made a lot of progress, but things got quiet, so I'm not sure what he's waiting for, besides perhaps just a respite from classes to get the last work done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Duck in a Top Hat Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 My scenario (The Black Crown, Part One) is already available at my Blades website and on the Blades Forge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 I got caught up in classes, yes. Hopefully I can get it released by Christmas or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Originally Posted By: The Mystic Is there anywhere I can download the entries? Right, I forgot to ask this earlier: how do people feel about me linking/mirroring the entries on the contest webpage? I could either upload the scenarios as they were at the time of submission, or I could just have each entry provide a link to the designer's download page (or Blades Forge page). It might take me a while to add the scenarios (and the judges' comments), as I'm kinda busy with a course project right now. I'm just making these posts while my SVM is training (if it trains at all, that is; see signature). Originally Posted By: CRISIS on INFINITE SLARTIES Several people discussed using BoE in this thread, and nobody ever said "can't do that." I'm not defending BoE. I prefer it to BoA, but BoE is dead and that's that. But I can tell you that if I worked for days on end on a project, submitted it to a contest, and then other people got prizes without ANYONE looking at mine, I would be pretty steamed. Wouldn't matter what the reason was. I get the dilemma of the judging. Judging takes a long time, and I agree that the judges deserve a lot of thanks and not flack. I also get the dilemma of the organizing, which takes a huge effort too, and Dintiradan deserves a lot of thanks and not flack. However, if you're going to solicit work from someone and you don't explicitly tell them that their work will be totally ignored by all the judges, I think it's incredibly irresponsible to allow their work to be totally ignored and to give out prizes to others. Contest organization: Don't want to make it seem that this contest was organized by just one person. The central idea for the contest was decided on collaboratively (the 'co-op contest' idea being proposed now first came up when making this contest). Everyone contributed to the scenario elements list, the contest deadlines, etc. I'm just most visible now 'cause I'm the guy incessantly bumping the thread. I don't mind taking the flak, but I won't take all the credit. Judging: You could ask for judges before designing even starts, and use the number of BoE-playing judges to indicate whether or not BoE scenarios would be judged. Even then, judge dropouts would be a problem, especially for non-1/10 contests which have a long design period. In retrospect, we should have asked for BoE-playing judges the moment a BoE scenario was proposed, and then rejected it from being ranked in the contest when no one volunteered. Again, mandating that all judges be able to play BoE would have resulted in no judges for this contest. (Rereads thread.) Yeah, basically what Handyman said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody BJ Back From the Beyond Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 You can put my entry on the contest page. Just make it clear that it's the pre-beta version. There are going to be additions to the scenario as soon as I stop being lazy and actually get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 I suppose you could put my scenario up for download if you make it clear that it's pre-beta. A better choice might be to link to the Blades Forge page (the page is there, though no download is available yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody BJ Back From the Beyond Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Come to think of it, I'd really like to read the judges' reviews before doing any more editing, but I can't seem to find them. Have they been released yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Could someone with access to the contest email address send me mine. My flash drive just got fried and it's the only copy I had of my scenario that's within convinient reach sylae@calref.co.cc, thanks <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Just sent it back to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Originally Posted By: Niemand Just sent it back to you. Thanks much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Originally Posted By: B.J.Earles Come to think of it, I'd really like to read the judges' reviews before doing any more editing, but I can't seem to find them. Have they been released yet? Apparently not yet. I'll e-mail you a copy of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 Ladies and non-ladies, you are now able to download the contest scenarios as they were submitted from the contest page. Additionally, you are able to view judge comments now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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