Fledgling Fyora J. Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I visited Ghaldring with my lifecrafter after Alwan told me to. I noticed some locked doors in Gazaki-Uss and found some very nice canisters behind them. Now these were some heavily locked doors (actually had to go back and bought living tools from vendors for the first time!), so I'm guessing they were quest rewards for Gharldrings faction. Is there any point in joining them anymore, meaning do they have anything else to offer me should I choose to ally myself with them at some point of the game? Do they have an exclusive trainer for fifth-tier creations or something like that? I'm not sure I'd even like to ally myself with the arrogant lizards but for powergamings sake I might do it if the rewards were good enough. I've cleared most of the first two areas and the quests there but haven't done not very much in the storm plains yet, so I'm thinking I still have lots of things to do left. I haven't joined any faction yet and I'm pretty neutral, one or two answers/actions on the rebel side of things with multiple opinion questions from different people still unanswered, so I still go any way and join any faction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 You've got most of their best rewards already, yeah. Ghaldring's faction does have a guy who sells you high-level spells and creations if you join up, but it's nothing you can't get elsewhere. If you want to support the rebels for ethical reasons, go for Astoria instead; her path has a lot of overlap with Ghaldring's, but with unique rewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Untamed Banana Slug Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 But you get some good stuff when you kill the four councillors, and if you want to do that, Ghaldring's faction is the only one that will be left to ally with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Le Imp Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Not to mention, Ghaldring has a unique end-game battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 If you aren't planning to do a lot of faction shifting, then Ghaldring's first quest before you actually swear allegiance opens up the Secret Access Road whereas Astoria requires you to swear to join before you get that same quest. This gives you an artifact ingredient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Mostly now it is between getting some rewards, and majorly different end battles. Rewards are always nice, but it depends on what you believe in. Do you want to destroy the council and let the rebellion win? Or do you want to try to make a peace between the factions? Or end shaping? Or crushing the rebellion, or even killing all creations? Each choice gives you different quests, rewards, and endings. Only Ghaldring's faction has a different end battle. If you can't choose, maybe you could make a save, the after you finish one faction, go back to that save and try another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Visionary Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Speaking of which, has anyone finished the Rawal ending? I never managed to get around to that one; he always kinda ticked me off. I just noticed that everyone refers to non-Rawal endings whenever they're talking about the 'options.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 It's easy to get the Rawal ending, because you can finish Rawal's last mission while following several other sects. After he rewards you he asks you to stay on as his flunky, and if you agree, the game ends right there. So save first, see the Rawal ending, then go back to what you were doing. I just now finished a Rebel game with a level 52 Shock Trooper fielding 7 Shock Tralls. I did the challenge areas early, then grubbed around for experience by storming every loyal city or guardpost I could find. So the endgame after that was pretty easy even on Torment. But the Rebel game is well worth playing because it's quite different from all the others, more than they are different from each other. And if you play it right, you can enter every area in the game except for one small part of the Lost Dera Vault, so you don't need to miss much of what you see in the other plots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity And if you play it right, you can enter every area in the game except for one small part of the Lost Dera Vault, so you don't need to miss much of what you see in the other plots. What about inner gazakii uss (or whatever it's called now)? Last I knew, only non-drakon followers could get in there, ironically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 If you manage your reputation, you can go everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Meaning you play the factions so that you get the Shaper/non-drakon ending and then switch? And why can't you get the Taygen area that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 i dont think you can get the non-drakon ending then switch After you take the shaper ending, im pretty sire you cant go to the rebels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Quote: But the Rebel game is well worth playing because it's quite different from all the others, more than they are different from each other. And if you play it right, you can enter every area in the game except for one small part of the Lost Dera Vault, so you don't need to miss much of what you see in the other plots. This implies that you can in fact get to inner gazakii uss as a rebel. Either I am mistaken or I would very much like to learn how to do this, as I am currently (and slowly) doing a power-game run through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 As far as I know, Inner Gazaki-Uss is only for non-Ghaldring factions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Woops, that's right — no IGU as a rebel. But you're not missing much — it's a good fight as a non-rebel, but not an interesting zone without the battle. On the other hand you get to linger in the Shaper Citadel, without being pushed out by a cut scene. It's not a thrilling zone as such, either, but it's a fight you can't see in any other thread, and it's not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yes, the only good parts about IGU are a few canisters, but for hardcore anti-self-shaping-people like me, it doesn't matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 yeah, it has the ur-drakon canister in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 -and the third eye beast/gazer canister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 there are about 5 canisters including firebolt i beleive. Click to reveal.. There are also 4 wingbolts that will fight for you and 4 kyshaaks that will also fight for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 The canisters in Inner Gazaki-Uss are: Click to reveal.. A Drakon canister. A Firebolt Canister. A Minor Heal Canister (all in the same room; heafty living tool cost) and the Gazer canister in the southeastern room. The Last Archon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 why are there such weak canisters in gazaki-uss... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I'm not sure, but I think I've heard people say that it's not the first time that that's happened. Maybe it's because they are the classics and the first spells you learn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd shubham agr. Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 so you cant make an ur-drakon if you r a rebel as you can't get into inner GU?? or an i-beast? -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 You can, the rebel factions also include Astoria and Litalia, but you just can't get them if you want to go with Ghaldring's faction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd shubham agr. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 do any of the trainers offer training for create gazer(or you have to depend on canisters alone ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Gazers have always been canister-only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Not in Geneforge 3-5. You could be trained in Gazars in G2 (and drakons), but no, you have to you canisters to get Gazars. Edit: Sniped by Thuryl The Last Archon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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