Garrulous Glaahk shadow9d9 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 The first 3 Avernums were incredibly addicting to me.. for some reason I find 4 to be kinda boring... I am about 2/3 through but I've found it incredibly repetitive... Who knows.. maybe my tastes have changed... Anyone agree/disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 As I recall, the general impression after A4 was released was it had pretty good hacking and not much else (except a few nifty things here and there, like the shades). To the best of my knowledge, the general impression of A5 is that it is a more complete game. So finish A4, enjoy the combat, and then head straight on to A5, which you'll probably like better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Avernum 4 had too much of a recycled plot from A3. The best addition was the Darkside Loyalists which become the major villians of A5. Jeff was mostly working on fixing the combat system which is better in A5 and he restores all those things that A4 lacks like elevations and boats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Je suis d'accord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Averforge takes away what is "Avernum" about Avernum. It also seems a bit small. However, from what I have heard, A5 is supposed to be very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I thought that it had the simplified game mechanics of a Geneforge game without all the interest provided by creating and maintaining the creations. Thus I think it falls between two stools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk shadow9d9 Posted November 23, 2007 Author Share Posted November 23, 2007 I really think it had to do with the lack of a plot.. There really isn't much of a motivation... Bring item halfway across the world is pretty boring. I do like the engine changes though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lepus timidus Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Avernum 4 was just lots of clicking. BOOOORRRRRIIIINGGGG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Zummi Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 All SpidWeb ga..no..almost all PC-based games requires a lot of clicking.. And as I recall the rumors..A4 somewhat saved SpidWeb Software.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan wxxqut Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 How did A4 save Spierweb and mayority think its worst than previous. I personaly liked A4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Zummi Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Rumors, my friend..rumors.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Azuma:Rumors, my friend..rumors.. Not rumours. Jeff Vogel himself has said that if it wasn't for the fact that Avernum 4 sold so well, Spiderweb Software may not still be around. I can't find the thread he said it in now, but it was said on these boards. Avernum 4 isn't as good as say, Avernum 2, in my opinion, but it does it's job very well. It was never about the great plot - it was all about kicking off the second trilogy. I don't think Avernum 1 had a great plot either. It was all about setting up the player in a new location, and starting the trilogy off. And, now I feel dirty for writing a post longer than a line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 A4 sold very, very well, but this is not terribly informative in itself. After A1-3 and the huge wait time and anticipation, Jeff could've remade KOWP in the GF engine, burned it to a CD, and called it A4, and it would've sold well. The purpose of the A4 that he actually made was to get the new engine in place and have some good hacking. It accomplished both of those things. The over-arching plot was never the point. But then, the over-arching plot in A3 was kinda stupid, too, and A3 was a great game. I don't think I'll ever have the urge to replay A4, but I did enjoy it as I played it the first time. So even if it fell off the mark of A1-3 a little, it's still well above most of the garbage out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Quote: How did A4 save Spierweb and mayority think its worst than previous. The majority is us members on Spidweb. We tend to view things with a more critical point of view. Plotless RPGs are quite popular. Bored teenagers with too much free time I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 It wasn't plotless, and it was a fine game. It just had a plot that people who had finished A2 and A3 could see coming a mile away. So a lot of the board regulars here were disappointed. The general public, to whom Rentar Ihrno was just a bad tenant, liked A4 fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lepus timidus Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Azuma: Quote: All SpidWeb ga..no..almost all PC-based games requires a lot of clicking.. Sure. But I included the word 'just'. JUST lots of clicking. Clicking without any of the enjoyment usually attached to computer games. Avernum 4 took the worst elements from the previous Avernums and Geneforges, and merged them into one terrible product. And I don't care if it sold well. So did Revenge of the Sith and Titanic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk shadow9d9 Posted November 25, 2007 Author Share Posted November 25, 2007 I've played G1-3 and A 1-3.. I'll be done with A4 soon... I also own G4 and Resurrection... are they better than A4? For those who have played A5(I think it is out?), is it any better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Zummi Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 The only thing about A4 that bugged me is the ported Geneforge graphics.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Yes! I abhor the new engine. I love A1-A3, due partly to its ingenuous engine, and Geneforge style graphics just aren't my preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk shadow9d9 Posted November 26, 2007 Author Share Posted November 26, 2007 I've made my way to the chithrath next in the nw corner in the remote tunnels and I'm really really feeling the painful repetition... am I almost done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Once you're out of the area around and under Silvar and Cotra you're done with chitrachs except for a few isolated encounters elsewhere. Yes, you're almost there! —Alorael, who wonders if any A4 beta testers had the courage to report painful chitrach fights as bugs in the game. He certainly wishes he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk shadow9d9 Posted November 26, 2007 Author Share Posted November 26, 2007 Beat it... Glad to be done.. guess the repetition just wore on me... more story is needed and less grinding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Quote: Originally written by shadow9d9:Beat it... Glad to be done.. guess the repetition just wore on me... more story is needed and less grinding! A5 delivers on both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk macdude22 Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 A5 has an incredibly engrossing story, I've pretty much been playing nonstop for the past week, eat, sleep a little, go to work, and A5. I 'm just compelled to complete that next quest, or find Gladwells next item. I have to say I find the Lark and Gladwell quest arc's to be enjoyable and challenging, plus they lend a lot to the back-story of this area of Avernum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Zummi Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Quote: Originally written by macdude22:A5 has an incredibly engrossing story, I've pretty much been playing nonstop for the past week, eat, sleep a little, go to work, and A5. I 'm just compelled to complete that next quest, or find Gladwells next item. I have to say I find the Lark and Gladwell quest arc's to be enjoyable and challenging, plus they lend a lot to the back-story of this area of Avernum. Why must Jeff torture us Windows user so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish kkarski Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Buy a mac and use bootcamp for any windows software you need to use. Among other advantages (macs are much more reliable, better for graphics and well, just nice) you'll get to play new SW games faster ;> What's the point of having a PC today if you can run both OS X and Windows on a mac? It is a fact that PC's are cheaper, but macs are a better long-term investment. Couple of years ago, I bought myself a PPC mac mini, and my friend bought a Athlon. I'm using the mini today, with no problems at all, the only downside is that I won't be able to run graphic-intensive games like Doom 3 (and seriously, I don't give a damn about it ). My friend's Athlon on the other hand had broken down about three times during this period. He had to purchase a new motherboard, a graphics card and a new hard drive. He spent more money than I did overall, and he's constantly frustrated because something doesn't want to work, or he's experiencing strange and critical errors of all sorts. Sorry for the OT, this post may be deleted if it'll be deemed necessary to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk macdude22 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Different strokes for different folks. I'm a Mac FANATIC for sure, but whatever works. Lotta folks like tinker this tinker that, not the platform for them. I know people that thrive on having problems with their frankenputers. I think they have a genetic irregularity that causes them to die if they don't have something to fix on their computer. I'd hate to see them wither away from lack of sustenance. I'll tell you to get a Mac day in day out but XP with the latest patches, firefox, and AVG is generally pretty solid. Vista....that's a different story, BANE of my work existence. As for reliability, 9 times out of 10 I'll agree but every so often you get a model that has some sort of inherent issue. I've seen a batch of Macs come in with say bad ram, and a batch of HPs come in with bad hard drives. In general I think apple tends to use higher quality components than the big box PC manufactures, however users building their own machine or getting a bit higher end windows box tend to purchase similar quality components. In closing, I'm a Mac FANATIC, but no Mac Bigot. I'm down with whatever. However, if you call me after hours with your Windows problems @ home, I direct you to apple.com I thank you Jeff for filling my Mac's voracious appetite for quality software. 20" imacs get HUNGRY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Zummi Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Ok..Mac VS Windows is now over..we don't want to hurt innocent, fluffy kittens now, do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Ociporus Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 What bugged me the most in A4 was getting weighed down cleaning out dungeons. It could take 4 trips just to do it. Avernum 5 is better on that count, though. It only seems to count encumbrance based on what you have equipped. Even the weakest guys can haul out a motherload of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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