Emperor Tullegolar

Quote: Originally written by Sarasaphilia: I don't really have an opinion because you can't see their faces. Of course you can't see their faces, that's not the point. You don't even meet Danette in the game, really.

Being a man doesn't exempt you from voting. Admit it, Barzahl made you question your lifestyle when you met him, didn't he?

If the one you love is missing... do tell. This is the female version, maybe a male one will appear later.

Quote: Originally written by Milla: I've always wondered why the agent's default graphic had pale green skin. Camouflage? As for Shanti's hotness, whenever I think of her, I think of that dead serviles looking body. Disturbingly enough, this is not the first post I've made about agents and hotness... today...

Greta is not hot. Agent Miranda maybe. Khyryk's dead wife definitely.

Quote: Originally written by Dikiyoba: And who created the drakons, hmm? A human named Barzahl. Slipping creations and items off of Sucia Island was the beginning of the rebellion. Barzahl would never have considered himself a rebel. He saw himself as the only true Shaper. He saw the Shaper Regime in all it's stagnation as having forgotten what shaping was all about: the power. He was an ulta-conservative. His mistakes far outweighed his merits however, and the drakons are among those mistakes. That's all the Rebellion is really, a series of mistakes. Quote: They'd have to compete for living space in the most inhospitable places against other escaped creations, bandits, and humans who don't like Shapers, always afraid of being discovered and killed. The Rebellion has conquored a variety of different lands throughout the war. The drakons could choose to live in almost any climate, landscape, you name it. But where do they always choose to live? The most inhospitible of places, hidden away in mountains. It's almost as if it is their nature to live this way, which makes it a paradox as to why they choose to aggressivly seek new lands to burn. They will not be happy until they are all that is left, and that is why they must die.

Quote: Originally written by Tarrasque: Humans have split into factions (Such as the Rebels and the Shapers) and we attack each other,Are we really any better? No human would have ever even thought about rebelling against the Shapers until the drakons came along and messed everything up. The Shapers stand for peace and order. The rebels are using chaos and destruction as a way of getting what they want. The question is, what do they want? Equal right for creations? The drakons are anything but equal to the other creations in the Rebellion. Are they fighting to survive? They probably could have lived perfectly happy, reclusive lives if they chose to hide away from Shaper civilization. But no, Ghaldring decided to go on the offensive. He is fighting a war of aggression for land and power, yet he has tricked suckers like you guys into thinking he fights for equality and against Shaper tyranny, when really he just wants to be a tyrant himself.

Seviles like working for their masters. Just ask any non-tainted one. When given the chance to live in the wild, they will often have difficulty living on their own, and yearn for the safe loving arms of their masters. The ones that succeed away from shaper care often end up crazy and/or violent. The cages were only made necessary by war. They wouldn't need them if it weren't for the traitors looking to undermine peace and order. As for drayks and freeborn serviles, they are all rogues. They have natural violent tendancies, they kill innocents and even fight amongst each other. They were given the chance to live on their own on Sucia Island, and what did they do? They formed factions and started attacking each other! They are barely capable of reason, they are greedy, they are hostile, they must either submit or be killed simply to protect the innocent in the world.

I'm pretty sure his legs are bare. Looking closer, I think they're slightly darker becauses of shadows cast on them by his robes.

Monarch is more powerful than people give him credit for. People assume he can't be the PC because he isn't strong enough, which, looking at the Titan, is ridiculous. He probably isn't that tough when you fight him because he concentrating on making all those creations with which he is attacking, what, four or five zones? He is powerful, he made the Titan, and I still think he is a PC. I'm not sure which Geneforge he is the PC from, though. I'd say #3, given Greta and Alwans feelings towards him.

For #1, there are a lot, a lot of switches to turn of different part of the field. Usually, when you flip a switch, the field farthest from where you are has turned off, revealing yet another switch. Yeah, it's annoying like that.

Not all the Sucia Island serviles were killed. It says in the endings that the loyalist ones were taken back to safety. As for the rest, they had to be killed, they were rogues. As for Shaper armies, they probably include more humans now because the Rebellion has been ruthlessly murdering the shapers themselves. Litalia is a drakon lapdog. She is Akhari Blaze's servant. The drakons only let her call herself the human leader so that they don't have to deal with the humans themselves because they don't like them. The Rebellion says it supports creation rights but how come drakons treat all other creations below them like crap? You say a rogue is something that attacks everything in sight? Well, there aren't any rogues that attack their own kind, right? Serviles don't attack their own kind, but they will attack humans that they don't like. That sounds like a rogue to me. For the record, I do not support either side, they are both weak in supporting what they believe in. The rebellion is weak because it is led by creations, and the Shapers are weak because they ally with rogue agents and refuse to take shaping to the next level.

There is no evidence of Shaper cruelty from before the Rebellion. They treated creations as inferior, sure, but they still fed and cared for them. There is no evidence of them having genocided other species, either. However, if they did, there was probably good reason. Similar to how we find it perfectly fine to genocide various species of virus and bacteria whenever we get the chance. You should be happy to have the Shapers as the dominant power in the world. They protect people and send creations into battle so humans don't have to die instead. They give people serviles to work for them, ornks to eat, and even simple things like tools. They're not even that tyranical; mayors are almost always non-shapers. Eliza and Shaftoe were fighting on the front, not to mention they were permanently made part of a stationary machine. I would expect them to be a little grumpy considering their situation. As for the Rebellion, they care not for the lives of civilians. You would be hard pressed to find rebels that even care about their fellow soldiers. The drakons let Southforge fall. They burn cities, ravage farmland... they are everything that people hate about war. Quote: So if drackons go over board we WILL hold them in check. After the Shapers are destroyed we will hunt down every last rogue!! First, the rebellion will not stand a chance without the drakons leading them. If they did win the war, they would not be able to throw of their reins. Second, all rebel creations are rogues, will you kill the serviles as well?

Only weapons change what your character actually looks like in the game. You should have played as a shock trooper, those are hot.

It really is a great game. I'm only sorry you have to wait until June to get the full version.

One can earn canisters through merit. Who cares that the spell is not learned? It becomes a part of you, which is far superior than just learning it the old fashioned way. As for the random person stumbling upon a canister, well, if the Shapers can not deal with one of these every now and then, their regime doesn't deserve to exist. Litalia maintaining her humanity is a myth. Have you talked to her? She is so arrogant she forgets you're in the room with her half the time. She can control her outbursts of anger but hey, so could Barzahl, and he was quite mad. And Kernio, do you think the Rebels are free from guilt in this war? The Shapers merely want to restore order. When they take a town, such as Valeya, they protect it and the people in it. The Rebellion burns cities to the ground, releasing rogues into the wild, caring not for the inhabitants of the land. The Shapers are slightly fascist, but who isn't when your way of life is under attack and you're dealing with murderous scum? The Rebellion conducts war through chaos, causing more destruction and death in a few months than the Shapers have in their entire history.

I forgot about Drone Zone! I used to listen to that all the time. Good stuff, reminds me of the Starcraft soundtrack.

Who says they're not earned? If you're going to devote the time and resources of your faction to make canisters, you're not just going to give them to any idiot unless you're insane like Barzahl. If the Shapers legalized canisters, they would still control their distribution, probably being even more anal about it than they are about regular shaping. It can only improve their situation.

You missed the point of the Tullegolites. If the Shapers really wanted to protect the world from creation scum, then rather than ally with them, they would become more lax on their shaping restrictions. Instead of training more shapers to fill their thining ranks, and use canisters to augment their powers, they choose to ally with rogue lifecrafters. But the rebels are just as bad. The drakons scum are like the Shapers in almost every way. Both sides are full of hypocrisy.

I think the Shapers have already lost to the Rebellion on principle. The Rebellion is fighting for creation rights, they want creations to be treated like normal people. If the Shapers were true to their beliefs, they wouldn't allow you (assuming you play as a servile) to help them. They abandoned their way of life when the going got tough, and that is an important Rebel victory. On the flip side, the Rebellion has lost to the Shapers as well. They were for creations rights, but their system has degenerated into the drakons ruling over the other creations with an iron fist. Both sides are in the wrong, fighting for causes that no longer exist. Everyone is drifting towards the center of the spectrum. I hope in the next game, Jeff has all sides revert to reactionary policies. Edit: Or Tullegolites.

There is no name for the world, really. The continent that Geneforge 4 takes place on is called Terrestia. It's pretty much the biggest landmass encountered so far, so it's as close as you'll get for a name of the world. The Shapers live on the same continent, but on the Western half, so it has the same name. We don't know how big it is, there could be a lot more, or not. We don't know the name of where the Sholai live. We do know the Ashen Ises. And we assume that Drypeak Vale is somewhere in Western Terrestia.

Of course. It's not like there is any other group of people in the world that might be interested.

Quote: Originally written by Dikiyoba: Really, it would be much easier (but still somewhat dangerous) to create a virus that directly kills or weakens drayks, drakons, and gazers without affecting other living things. I'm actually writing a fan fiction in which the Shapers attempt to do just that.

If you cheat horribly, like me, it is possible to get Tyrol all the way to the Citidel. Magda will sprain her ankle like the useless servile she is and will not make it no matter what. Either way, the game continues to act as if they died on the way there, so it doesn't really matter. Don't bother trying.

Bump, because the people just can't get enough. And because the mods hate me too much to put it in the header. God forbid they swallow their pride to make things more convenient for people.