alhoon

Perhaps killing the others first, reporting to the rebels and then killing Moseh? Of course that means you don't have their help...

Well, now they work for me too. They didn't work when I saw theKian's post which is when I tried.

I was not.

In the umodified version of the game which isn't the one alhoon is playing. Keep in mind that keeping them when playing a Shaper is taking slots more powerful creations *cough* leveled Vlish * cough* could take. So it is balanced. But Vlish are overpowered enough that you don't have to worry too much.

Not that I am aware of such a cheat, but it's probably getting saved in the save file. As others have suggested (for replays or other GF games down the line) I find it best to use trainers for secondary skills. Like train my Shaper to a point of parry here instead of dropping 4 much needed points to something somewhat trivial. It won't save me, but it will help. Same with missile weapons training (in later games). I got it since I could afford it to get a little more out of Crystals in GF4.

I have tried to play GF1. It's not the graphics that is the problem. It's the more to do with the User Interface. Things like the inventory (that was a problem for me in GF2 too), the way merchants work. To a lesser extend the different mechanics and things like "anatomy" that don't tell me much are also a turn-off. GF2 was already a stretch with one of my problems being quest items looking the same. I don't expect many to agree with me that the UI is so important to turn one off such a nice game. But I do hope GF1 is remade using GF5 engine. I don't understand what you mean about the story to be sincere. In case you thought that GF1 story should be rewritten in a remake... Nope. I want to play a remake with a good, solid UI the same story you all did and got you hooked.

I really like those games... I hope he will revisit them at some point. Add more in-between games. Like the invasion of the Rebellion in Ilya Province or Alwan's campaign to reclaim it etc.

Damn, I should have known this would have spoilers instead of just stats... IMO a GF game without canister madness (includes GF5) is just bizarre. And that's from reading a few lines in this thread. Bye all... Please use this thread to put peer pressure to the developer to update GF1 to something more fresh whether it has canister madness or not. Could we do a kickstarter about it? Probably we wouldn't gather even a sizeable fraction of the funds required to convince him to do it, so it's a rhetoric question. Still it would show us and the developer how many are interested for that and who are content to wait for 2+ years.

Please do so.

Very good!

Hmmm? I don't remember him. Is he the guy that teaches Spellcraft in the early parts of GF4? Can he shape or he's just an unapproved mage?

Monarch? Closer than Bennhold to Lifecrafter; rogue Shapers are in the perhaps-they-count group.

Academically, I was trying to think of non-Drakon Lifecrafters in GF4-5. Perhaps make a list. Some like Jared are clearly Lifecrafters. Others... I am not sure if they count. The clear ones: - Jared (GF4) - Greta (GF4-5) - Shaila (GF4) - Burkes (GF4) And the perhaps-they-count ones: - Sage Olipha (GF5). Not a Shaper, not geneforged, studies on how to Shape creations, has canisters. I would call him more of a unaligned shaper-wannabe than a Lifecrafter personally. - Footracer (GF5). A Servile with a control tool that allows her to Shape. Supposedly fights for the Rebellion although she and her bunch are more like bandits connected with the Drakons through mutual dislike of the Shapers than actually allied with the Rebellion. Not sure if she counts because the control tool allows her to Shape. - Litalia (GF4-5). Well, she was a Shaper and Shaper-trained, but has gone canister-junky. I think she counts as a lifecrafter. - Bennhold (GF5). He doesn't Shape in combat but he has a ton of creations in his lair that don't hurt him so... perhaps he is a Lifecrafter after all? Personally I would put him in the same category as Olipha even if he could Shape. - Talis-Eye (GF5) (perhaps I have the name wrong). Non Drakon but not human either. Still, it can Shape and is\was a rebel. - The Rogue Mind in Control Core B (GF5). Well, it can Shape and it is against the Shapers... I would count it as a traitor Shaper though and not a Lifecrafter. - Monarch (GF4). Shaper trained because of his age but against the Shapers (and the Rebellion). Still, he makes the "perhaps he counts" list. I probably forget some. Anyone willing to help?

Welcome. This is the Geneforge forum, another series of the Spiderweb games. If you don't like the older-fashioned games, I would suggest, in fact strongly recommend as awesome, GF4-5. They're "new enough" for me. Although I have to say that even though the older games in the series are clunky, the story is very entertaining.

If I may ask, how do non-meat eaters (Vegans and vegetarians) fare in the rights of creations?

Told my sister my GF2 adventure while we were in a road trip. Down to explaining the different factions etc. She seemed to like it most from the GF stories I've told her so far, although that may be the case that I spent a couple of hours telling her my experience with GF2 from the beginning to the end as a story instead of telling her this and that while playing the game. She didn't agree with my view on everything (including my unmitigated hate for Lying Zakary the Deceiver) despite hearing the story from me, without any effort from myself to give her an unbiased view and certainly not about LZtD. She also didn't share my admiration for Tuldaric, disagreed with my view that Shanti had to die and doesn't understand what appeal I saw with the Takers. Yet, aside of some diverging opinion on the above we are in agreement with my sister about most things GF2-story-wise.

Thank you for the trouble. If I may, what is the correlation (if any) between cat-people and coffee drinking?

By trainer mod, I meant the one that grants the user all creations...

Personally, I was stunned by the large number of people that avoid coffee and to a lesser degree those that don't consume alcohol. I frankly expected a 0 on no-coffee and 3-4 on alcohol. I would also be interested to see how it correlates to guns, if it's not too much work. Thank you for the efforts.

Could the GF4 strategy central thread please be updated to include these mods? Or at least the "Trainer" one that gives all creations? And a suggestion for the trainer mod for GF4: Perhaps change the "here you get all creations" point from "opening a door" to ... using the Geneforge for the first time?

Version 2 added! Changes: - Rebalance of some creations (Like the Plated Clawbug) to bring their functionality closer to their essence cost. - Added Therion and the two versions of the Deadeye sisters.

As an outsider, I would like to state my opinion: I feel this thread about an optional survey nobody was forced to take or finish, has turned (again in my opinion) too hostile and political.

That's because after I type them and I read them I think "Oh, that gives the wrong tone" and I correct them. I try to polish them up before post for some time in the forums here, but answers are coming too fast for me to put a post, read it carefully, read the post I quote again. It is a habit I have from chat messaging. @Triumph: Those labels are why I put "conservative" as my answer. It is because I am a conservative not as the explanation suggested but as a person and by the definition the label "conservative" usually means (i.e. to describe social conservatives). Since I assume the results would be given in the graphs like the previous one, I didn't want to be put in the "liberal" side because many people may mistake that as socially progressive while I am socially conservative. @ADoS: that's a good idea but truth be told, "My post was a crappy mess" or "my post was half-finished and poorly thought" which is the reason I usually edit, is not really complimenting.

@Lilith: Oh, you're right. That is a mistake. It should have been "some of the questions could be clearer " there. I didn't intend to make it sound as a demand. To my defense, I hopefully made it clear by now that it wasn't a demand.

I didn't mean that there are people with pitchforks coming after me. I wondered why after I made a clear post on the survey being American-based, there were two posts in a row reminding me that it's American based, with one post making the erroneous claim that I make demands and complains even after It's clearly stated in my post that these are suggestions for possible improvement. "Uproar" is an exaggeration. "You are making complaints and you demand everyone else tailors their comments" is not an exaggeration, it's an erroneous accusation based on a poster's personal (and wrong) opinions about my posting habits. Really? I am not worked up, I was just taken aback by the accusation that I habitually make complains and demands on others to tailor their comments according to my styles. I find that since that remark is both untrue and paints me (falsely) in a bad light, that I shouldn't leave it unchallenged, i.e. explain that I didn't do that. Which I did with a post that quoted the part that I believe explain that. Which I find strange that I had to be told, twice, since I have put that in my post at the first place. Thank you. I just wanted to make clear that I find the Survey OK, that there was no need (at least for my benefit) to remind me the obvious since I have actually put that in my post and that I don't demand others to tailor their remarks nor that I make complains about my incomplete knowledge.