Seasoned Roamer Travers Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 No canister use. So far I've been using wingbolts and cryoas. Wingbolts are great, but a lot of things resist them. Cryoas to shore up that weakness, but there are too many problems with them - not as durable, terrified easily, lower damage (even with strength pumped up). They just are not very good. So I'm looking for some alternatives. I'm thinking replacing them with Rotghroths, since I'm almost at the ruins. The problem is I hate, hate, hate melee creations - at least in the previous games, but with the revised AP system, they might not be so bad. Any alternatives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 For my money, the best army for a canister-free purist is nothing but Wingbolts. Sure, some enemies resist their attacks, but most things that strongly resist magic attack with magic themselves (which Wingbolts strongly resist), so you're not really at a disadvantage except against Eyebeasts, Glaahks, Unstable Firebolts and maybe a couple of other rare enemies -- and when you've got seven Wingbolts, even those will die after enough hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Khyshakks are the other alternative at this point to provide some meat shields. Not as good offensively since lightning aura takes a few rounds to work. Still they have enough health to leave them out there on their own with an occasional heal. Still wingbolts are the best since a canisterless game won't let you get the best in fire and magic creation. Cryoas and other creations from the early game keep being frighten and other mind effect spells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Wingbolts do sometimes run out of energy at inopportune moments, but all Wingbolts is probably quite doable nonetheless. For variety, though, I had fun with an additional Rotghroth, or even two. They didn't have the quick takedown power of the Wingbolts, but they never run out energy, they're very tough, and their acid accumulates even on hard targets. Maybe I was just imagining it, but it seemed to me that they gave me more control over battles. I could tie things up in melee with my Rotghroth, and count on them staying busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Taliesin Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 If you're only trying to avoid bad canister effects, you might try just one wingbolt canister to get unstable firebolts. They have a half-life, but they have extra AP, a fire attack, and the magic resistance of a wingbolt, making them amazingly useful (especially against wingbolts). You could also take a drayk canister if you want, but it's your choice. Edit: I'm not sure exactly how many canisters it takes to be adversely affected, but I know you can use at least six safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Canister usage problems vary during the game. But this looks like some one that wants to play totally no canister. That really limits the high end creations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Taliesin Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 By the way, why are war tralls only from canisters? I thought they were a new Shaper creation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Correct. However, your character in the game is very much not a Shaper. Anything that can be learned the hard way can be made into a canister. Canisters are available, the training simply is not. Edit: Now I wonder, how did the war trall ability find its way into canisters? To make a canister, someone who knows the skill must program it into the thing. Did a Shaper who knew how to make them join the Rebellion? Did the rebels steal the plans? Or can creations be reverse engineered somehow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan wxxqut Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Its strange that loyal shaper can't get a new shaper creature(war trall) and rebell can.It doesen't make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 It really is a bit odd. If Shaper Grim could teach you how to make War Tralls, they'd still suck, but they'd suck less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan wxxqut Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 War tralls do suck.I'd like something like war golem or something like that instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 if you add a editor to get trained, you can make golems by using the enhance ghalkk button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Yeah, except some people don't want to cheat, and others don't know how to use an editor, let alone make one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Thats true, but they are going to have to cheat or make an editor if they want to shape golems (personally I like having 7 Unbound) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Well, technically, you could just change the graphic for, say, the Battle Alpha, and call it a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Yes you could do that but i don't think it would have the same feel, battling the Titan with 3300 health and having your creation have 400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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