Garrulous Glaahk Meeshka Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Well, I wonder if veterans here, who with their eyes blindfolded can split an egg of hydra on the lizard's head in two with their waveblade can find some Unconformities or Inconsistencies, which can be found through A-trilogy and E-trilogy? For Example: A1. Triad: X, Solberg, Linda. E1. Triad: X, Solberg, Lara. Linda is merely an assistant in Tower of Magi. Anyway both in E and A she goes mad after the defeating of Adze-Haakai, hearing "voices in the head". A2,E2. Mothrax cave: Linda is quite ok, no signs of madness, more to say, she's at work again. Lucky chance of becoming sane? Or someone can cure madness? BTW - a good theme for a quest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Linda is supposed to have reformed and learned from her errors. Wait until A3/E3 to see how that turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Meeshka Posted March 27, 2006 Author Share Posted March 27, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Randomizer:... Wait until A3/E3 to see how that turns out. I think I've missed something in A3. What should I wait for then? I can't help remembering Linda as a part of A3. Anyway, madness is not a thing, which can be thought over. It's not a misbehavior, it's a brain desease. P.S. Can youimagine a mad human, rethinking his madness? Edit: Did anybody find something else unexplained or reexplained? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 I think the biggest inconsistencies of the Exile/Avernum Trilogies have always been the dragons' gender. Linda always seemed crazy to Dikiyoba in A2. She's still obsessed with summoning demons, at least. Edit: Typo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Meeshka Posted March 27, 2006 Author Share Posted March 27, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Dikiyoba:I think the biggest inconsistencies of the Exile/Avernum Trilogies have always been the dragons' gender. And that's the Gospel Truth. At last I started to think that dragons are sort of androgynes. Or else I've heard of some reptiles, which can transfer their gender while one - male or female - dissappears in a tribe. So they become reproductive again. Quote: Linda always seemed crazy to Dikiyoba in A2. She's still obsessed with summoning demons, at least. Seems strange to hear that she was put into work again by the Triad Mages. Anyway, what was her role in A3 I can't remember? Something with the portal? Right? And another uncomformity: 1. We know that when the first expedition was sent to Avernum, there was neither light, nor fauna. Maybe just tiny fish in underground rivers. 2. The glimmering fungus altogether with plants and some animals was brought there by the Mages of Triad and Erika Redmark. So they say. 3. How then Nephilim (mammals btw) and Slithzerikai survived there before people came? There is no choice but to suppose that human mages made a bit too much merit of their achievments in Avernum, didn't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 More inconsistencies? Bojar/Jordan in A3 is one of the more inexplicable ones. Lost Bahssikava and a few vahnatai insertions in A1 that weren't in E1 are the other major difference between Exile and Avernum. The Tower of Shifting Floors lost its conveyor belts and gained lasers in Avernum. From what I remember, Linda is very much one of the members of the Triad in E1. She's also smug about it. In A3 she's still a powerful mage, although no longer officially in the Triad. On the other hand, she seems stable, and she presumably did good work at some point. And then of course she summons demons, but what can you do? Many plants and animals were brought or adapted by the Triad Mages. The glowing fungus was already present in the caves, I believe, and I think the giant lizards are also native, as are cave fish. The nephilim are no more native to the caves than humans, and they were banished at the same time, so they benefitted from the Triad Mages' work. The slithzerikai are yet another group of exiles living in Exile/Avernum, but according to Avernum they are from lower caves. They probably lived by farming fungus, fishing, and hunting lizards. —Alorael, who knows about fish switching genders but not lizards. On the other hand, whiptail lizards are all female and reproduce only by parthenogenesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 I remember something about lizards changing gender in Jurassic Park. Now, whether this is true or not, who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 A crocodile's gender is determined by the temperature the egg is kept at as it develops. It's not the same thing as changing genders as an adult, but it is fascinating. Dikiyoba can't remember a thing about Jurassic Park except that trying to recreate dinosaurs is a very bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 In Jurassic Park, it was amphibians, not lizards (reptiles). I have no idea if any reptiles can. The Triad's membership changes relatively rapidly (check my notes on my site for a few mentions of changes), and the ET isn't necessarily supposed to be consistent with the AT; for one, Jeff changed the dates, so that the settling of Avernum and the war against Grah-Hoth happened more recently compared with A1 than the settling of Exile and their war against Grah-Hoth compared with E1. In A1, Erika says, "These passages wouldn't even be lit if I hadn't created the fungi that emit light, and I don't even get credit!" However, Solberg says, "The one thing she [Erika] didn't make was the glowing fungus on the cave ceilings. It's amazing, magical stuff, and was already here when the Empire found these caves." I'm inclined to agree with Solberg on this one. Sliths were in the caves before humans and nephils, and they definitely ate fish — they still eat fish in most of the barbarian settlements in Avernum, I believe. That's part of the reason why they always live near water, the other part being that they need water to reproduce, apparently. There's even a reference in A4 to A3's and E3's two different golem factories, but I forget what it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Grain of Salt Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Some surface dweller in a hotel (big pool of water, can't remember the name) said that they had heard stories about the A3/E3 heroes, but some stories said that the golem factory was full of conveyer belts and some said that it was full of lasers. I actually groaned when I read that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Mivayan Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Quote: There's even a reference in A4 to A3's and E3's two different golem factories, but I forget what it was. Maria, in "The fissure post", an inn SW of the castle. ---------------- -Where are you from? I'm from the city of Gale, in Valorim. It's a big beautiful city. And it was saved by adventurers once! I hope I can go back home soon. -What did the adventurers save it from? An invasion of golems! Horrible, stone creatures that shot fire and ice! And the adventurers invaded their foul tower and destroyed them! I've read lots of books about it! -Books? Yes! There are lots of them! Though they all say different things. It's very strange. Some books say that the adventurers had to find their way through a maze of conveyor belts, swarming with monsters. Others say the adventurers had to dodge around fiery, magical beams that turned on and off and burned them. I don't know if either is true. All I know is that an adventurer's life must be very exciting! ---------------- Quote: I actually groaned when I read that. I thought it was great, as an almost-out-of-character joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 The whole glowing fungus thing always confused me. Was it the Vahnatai or Erika. I think it was the Vahnatai, and Erika, being egotistical, claimed that discovery. -------------------- They've escaped from Area 51! They've... oh, nevermind, it's just Vahnatai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Air Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 In A3 Linda summoned a powerful demon that(I think)got out of control and made more demons on day 160 in the Tower of Magi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 The glowing fungus was the Vahnatai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Dintiradan:The whole glowing fungus thing always confused me. Was it the Vahnatai or Erika. I think it was the Vahnatai, and Erika, being egotistical, claimed that discovery. The games don't actually say for sure, as far as I know (and I looked). I'm inclined to believe that it was the vahnatai (or some other magical race pre-dating the humans in the caves), but we can't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Meeshka Posted March 28, 2006 Author Share Posted March 28, 2006 2Drakefyre Quote: The glowing fungus was the Vahnatai. As for the fungus, it was not the vahnatai. Remember in A2 people were amazed by the glowing walls without fungus in vahnatai lands. Only if fungus was ver 1.0 of glowing walls. I prefer to think that there is anoher mighty race. Still that's my humble opinion. 2Alorael: Quote: From what I remember, Linda is very much one of the members of the Triad in E1. I've played Exile rather long ago, but the names of the Triad were written down by me for some reasons. I don't remember what for. Lara was the third Triad mage. May be I misspelledit that day. Shame for me, I can't remember who is Bojar/Jordan in A3? By the way, I don't think that difference between Exile and Avernum is an uncomformity at all. Otherwise it is an endless list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Meeshka:Shame for me, I can't remember who is Bojar/Jordan in A3? The mad mage on the south coast of Valorim who worked with slimes and bandits. I believe you got something like lvl 3 Bolt of Fire from his lair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 A pitiful substitute for his key role in E3. With slime pools ceasing to be terrain vulnerable only to Fireball, Jordan Bojar lost all his game significance. Edit: Except for letting you find out the location of the slime pit. But the Fireball thing is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Meeshka Posted March 29, 2006 Author Share Posted March 29, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Ephesos:The mad mage on the south coast of Valorim who worked with slimes and bandits. I believe you got something like lvl 3 Bolt of Fire from his lair. Now I do remember. I just forgot his name, but not the meaning. That's like in a bad detective story, when you first suspect someone like Bojar to be the main bad guy. And then you find out that he is not more then a crazy mage. Edit: there was something strange with the quote UBB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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