Fledgling Fyora scwiba Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Hello, Spiderweb forums! I have a question for you. I hope this is an okay topic for here. If not, please disregard and send me packing. I -- as usual -- have waited a bit too long and missed my chance. This time, I waited too long to pick up a copy of the original Nethergate, which I'd been holding off on until I had a little more disposable income (also, I just plain forgot for a while). Now that I finally do (and stopped forgetting!), I see the game's gone from the Spiderweb store. I even emailed support to confirm it's no longer available. So here's the question: how can I get a hold of this game? Obviously I don't want to pirate it, and ideally I'd like it on disk to add to my Spiderweb collection. Has anyone ever seen it sold on eBay? Amazon? Do any of you have an extra copy you'd be willing to part with? There are two on eBay right now, but they're both the Mac version. Maybe it's possible to emulate an old Mac environment if it came to that? I don't know much about that stuff. Anyway, I'd appreciate any tips you might have. I'm pretty desperate to play the whole game. I know there's a remake, but I understand some of the cooler old systems like the point-based leveling and keyword dialogue were changed... and those were two of my favorite things about Exile -- and the Nethergate demo when I played it. Secondary question: Spiderweb support said in the email that they don't offer Nethergate anymore because they don't sell any CDs. That makes me wonder if they sell any physical products. I wanted to at least grab the Nethergate hint book (weirdly, it's still listed even when the game isn't) for my collection. Would that still be a physical booklet like the other ones I've got, or just a PDF / other digital format? Okay, wall of text over. Thanks to anyone who read it all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Here is the link to order to the original Nethergate hintbook. Can't help with the game itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Nethergate original was only available as a CD-ROM with the demo as a download. I thought that the CD contained both the Windows and Mac versions. But someone else should be along later that will be certain. Welcome to Spiderweb Software. Please leave your sanity at the door. Come over to the Dark Side. We have cookies. Upon Mars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Almost all copies on CD will have both the Windows and Mac versions, except for those copies sold during the months between the release of the Mac version and the release of the Windows version. It is possible to emulate a PPC Mac running OS 9 and play the original Mac version using a program called Sheepshaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 You can also easily get Nethergate running with CrossOver, but that's commercial software. SheepShaver is free but requires a little bit more work on your part. —Alorael, who imagines Jeff might be baffled but willing if you emailed him. He's surely got the game available and could cut a deal to sell it. It's in fact somewhat surprising that it's gone; it's the only old game that's truly no longer available from the Spiderweb site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Jeff doesn't want to stop using the old CDs as beer coasters. You don't think he writes his games sober. Spiderweb has been moving away from selling physical copies and shifting to only digital downloads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora scwiba Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 Almost all copies on CD will have both the Windows and Mac versions Ah, that's interesting. I should have known, though -- I never had trouble with Exile and Geneforge on CD even though I didn't specifiy my OS when I bought them. ...Jeff might be baffled but willing if you emailed him. He's surely got the game available and could cut a deal to sell it. Do you mean at the generic support@spiderweb, or at a Jeff-specific address? I actually offered to pay the original 30 dollars for it when I emailed Support... but I got shot down, unfortunately. I'll definitely keep trolling eBay for a copy. Thanks for the help, everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 If someone here has the CD he can give it to you, or he can upload its contents for you. (I don't have it.) Then you can always send Jeff some money if you want to. Original Nethergate is interesting, unlike Nethergate: Resurrection it is a game in its own right, it is not made compatible with the Blades of Avernum engine. (N:R very much uses the BoA engine.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Yeah, I can get the demo to you, but not the full game, unfortunately. Seems strange that Jeff said he didn't want your money, too. I know when I bought the game, I downloaded it whilst waiting for the CD to arrive, so it was online at one point. Edit: Huh. The demo is still on the FTP site, so I can only imagine the full game is. Edit 2: Out of curiosity, what did Spidweb say when you offered cash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Yeah, I can get the demo to you, but not the full game, unfortunately. Seems strange that Jeff said he didn't want your money, too. I know when I bought the game, I downloaded it whilst waiting for the CD to arrive, so it was online at one point. Edit: Huh. The demo is still on the FTP site, so I can only imagine the full game is. Edit 2: Out of curiosity, what did Spidweb say when you offered cash? After how well the humble bundle sold last week, maybe he doesn't need any more money ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Today I can find no trace of a download on the Nethergate page. Any FTP link is probably "neth.zip", the demo of the game. This can only be played up till the Shining Bridge near the Ruined Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I think Original Nethergate is really out of favor with Jeff. Reading the final page of the AEFTP manual suggests that Avernum 1 is out of favor and that game did not have the flaws of the original Nethergate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Hey, Ishad, please don't revive topics that are nearly a year old, and definitely don't do it if the post you're making doesn't really add anything to the discussion. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Original Nethergate has become the first Spiderweb game to be banned by Jeff, you can't find it anywhere. Hence scwiba can't find a copy anywhere. In my last post I was explaining why Jeff might have done this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Sure, but scwiba hasn't been active on these forums for nearly a year. This thread hasn't been active for the same length of time. Nobody was really wondering why Nethergate wasn't available anymore. This was topic necro that didn't help the OP (or anybody else) find a copy of the game. If you're really unclear on why the contents of your post did not justify resurrecting an old thread, feel free to PM me - lets allow scwiba's thread to rest in peace. Also, as an aside, Nethergate is NOT 'the first Spiderweb game to be banned by Jeff'. Jeff/SW have decided not to sell the game, but this is not the same as banning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) "Disowned" not "banned" perhaps? Since he is the only source of the game, when he does not sell it, Original Nethergate becomes unavailable. A copy of the game is then impossible to find. I only have the demo version. Edited May 21, 2014 by Ishad Nha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Full Original Nethergate was only available on CD-ROM. When Jeff decided to stop sell CD versions and ran out that ended game distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 It seems that he could have switched to a straight download format, like all the other games he writes. Possibly he did not like the original version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Blades of Exile was the same way. It is available now only because it was made open source. In Nethergate's case, Spiderweb has no impetus to release the original as freeware when they are still selling Nethergate: Resurrection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Jeff is neither selling it nor releasing it as freeware, hence it is in limbo for the foreseeable future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I'm also interested in getting a copy of original Nethergate, so it's a bit disappointing that it's nowhere to be found. I really want to play both versions of Nethergate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I can email you the demo if you want. It might be handy if someone could host it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora JustJeff88 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Um, I I have a copy of the original Nethergate, which I got just a few months ago, simply by writing Spiderweb and asking. Since the Exile games are freeware on their site now, I e-mailed them and asked if they were going to be putting up Nethergate Original. The next day, a nice lady wrote me back with the full game attached. It's the first game that they wrote 32-bit, so it even runs on modern 64-bit systems with no issues. It's not the demo - the setup window explicitly says "full, registered version." The self-installing file itself is less than 7 MB. Given how I got it, I don't think that Spiderweb would mind me handing it out. If anyone can point me to free hosting, I'll put it up to share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Freewebs is the place to go. There might be a few days before you can upload something 7MB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora JustJeff88 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I was a little off. The game wasn't attached to the e-mail that I received, but there was a link. I looked up the original message and the link still works, so here it is: [Edit: Link Removed] Ishad Nha and Jerakeen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 A pity there isn't a Mac version, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 A pity there isn't a Mac version, too. [Link removed]. I made this quite some time ago for personal use but was reticent to share it because it's the full registered version. If SW is handing out the installer on request, I see no reason not to make it available to everyone. This is a Mac app made from the Windows version running in a Wineskin wrapper with remapped keys allowing Cmd-O and Cmd-S to open and save and cardinal direction movement with the arrow keys. Triumph and nikki. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) The interesting thing about Original Nethergate is that it has not been Avernumized, it has its own game structure. You can start with spells greater than level 3 as I recall. You have two terrain types occupying the same square on occasions, other terrain types can have a third icon as well as a second one. Also, there can be up to sixteen custom terrain types per town. Combats will have different levels of difficulty in the two games. Romans get better spell access. Piercing Crystals are cheap and unlimited in O:N... Edited May 29, 2014 by Ishad Nha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Unfortunately, Jeff Vogel has said that this was definitely a mistake. He does not want the full version of Nethergate distributed and looks upon it as piracy. So no giving out copies and no more discussion of it here unless he changes his mind. —Alorael, who is sorry to be the rain on this parade. But no more Nethergate handouts without a clear, official, and public okay from Spiderweb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) Someone at the office slippped up? He is not even selling the game, it is in limbo. Edited May 31, 2014 by Ishad Nha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 (removed Ishad Nha's off-topic post to a new thread) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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