Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I have been going through the Avernum pictures to use to go along with my name. And I saw this one. I never seen this before. What is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 That is a rakshasa. Rakshasi are magic-weilding anthropomorphized tigers. They can be found in isolated corners of A1 and A2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt BMA Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I was pleasantly surprised to find "Rakshasas" in Avernum; It's a term I've been hearing from childhood. Also known as "Asuras", they play an important role in many stories from the Hindu mythology*. Wonder where Jeff got the word. *In the myths, Rakshasas and Rakshasis (female) are demons with special powers who go around causing trouble for the humans and saints ("sanyasis").The words originate in Sanskrit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Necris Omega Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Rakshasas are featured in other RPG platforms, usually along extremely similar lines as to the classical mythological description. You can find them in D&D, for instance. As an advanced Black Belt of Nerd-jitzu, Jeff likely encountered them there. As to their place in Spiderweb, well they've been a part of Jeff's work since either Exile 1 or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 Female? I thought they are demons. Last time I checked demons don't have to reproduce. The can't die by old age right? Atleast that was the way I see it. God knows how old that one demon guy from avernum 1 is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Originally Posted By: Trenton the Rakshasa Female? I thought they are demons. Last time I checked demons don't have to reproduce. The can't die by old age right? IncubusSuccubus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Necris Omega Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Different mythologies, different standards. Besides, in classical European mythology, there ARE female demons as well. As to demonic reproduction... Well again, even in classical, European/Judeo-Christian Mythology, it happens. In the World of Avernum...? We haven't had the kind of demonology exposure to know or not. Are demons fundamental, eternal beings that have always been? Are they periodically spawned of raw darkness and evil? Are they comparable to mundane, biological creatures with a need to procreate to sustain their kind? We just don't know. Or at least I don't remember if it's ever been explained in detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 They first appear in Exile 2 west of Patrick's Tower. By Exile 3 they have taken over a town and dungeon on the surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt BMA Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 They don't reproduce (at least in the stories), but they do come in both male and female varieties. They were humans in their past lives, but they sinned, so they got recreated as Asuras. Alamvusha was an evil rakshasa who fought for the Kauravas. He used his shape-changing abilities to trick and kill the son of Arjuna (Arjuna is one of the Pancha Pandavas). Alamvusha was killed by Ghatothkacha, the rakshasa-son of Bhima (brother of Arjuna & member of the Pancha Pandavas). Ghatothkacha was killed by Karna, brother (but rival) of the Pandava brothers using a divine arrow, which he had saved up for his fight against Arjuna, but was forced to use it against Ghatothkacha instead as the rakshasa was turning the tides in the Pandavas' favour. All this is part of the Mahabhaaratha("Great War") between the five Pandava brothers and the hundred Kaurava brothers. (well, didn't mean to go so deep, but couldn't help myself ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 You are talking about Enox right? Im surprised that demons are on the surface. I mean, for one how did they get up there? Demons can't create portals, they need a host to create on for them, as demonstrated by the one lady in the tower of magi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Necris Omega Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Well in many instances "Rakshasa" aren't demons in the same way that "demons" are demons. They're considered to be dark spirits from realms beyond the mortal, so, "outsiders", but they're not literal "hellspawn" so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 The town's Erox, but I think you got the idea. —Alorael, who thinks the presence of demons is obvious: wizards summon them, bind them, do all those wizardy things that require demons. It's also not clear that rakshasas work that way, as in the games they're never seen summoned, just living in luxury wherever they're working together. It's possible they're demonic without being from another plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice ex post slarto Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Rakshasa are explicitly not demons in Spiderweb games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 But dispel spirit, which kills demons well, works on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice ex post slarto Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 No it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 How did you guys deal with them? I always doused them with Anti-Magic Field while I dealt with their cronies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 I used wound and the demon harming spell. I know Its possible, becuase I play every day! I used it against them yesterday, in rhentars keep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice ex post slarto Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Wound hurts anything. The easiest way to check is to look at creature race definitions in BoE and BoA, which have a "demon" category. I know they aren't demons in Exile, and I was under the impression that was also the case in Avernum. EDIT: Just checked BoA. Demons are race 7, and rakshasi (that's the plural in SW games, odd though it is) are race 1, along with goblins, kobolds, troglodytes, and dryads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Cloud of Blades works pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Originally Posted By: HOUSE of S Rakshasa are explicitly not demons in Spiderweb games. Demonslayer does bonus damage to them in Exile 2. Try it! It was changed in later games, though -- probably starting in either E3 or BoE. (Some of the creature definitions did change significantly between E3 and BoE.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice ex post slarto Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Hmm. Weird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 i found that only physical damage spells worked on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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